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wub wrote:

hugh wrote:At least pay for art that makes an effort to actually be art!

So some art is more art than other art? How much art must an art art before it can be considered art?




Show your working.

I suspect you know exactly what I am talking about wub!
If the only thought that this kind of thing provocates is "why do people pay for that/is that even really art/what qualifies as art" then it tends to be a rather airy piece with little to no real substance.

*edit, at that point I would even say it almost becomes a self parody of art, an inside joke or something else altogether more cynical.

I'm assuming this is one of those "you have to see it in person" things which is definitely something I've experienced dramatically myself when going to galleries vs looking at a picture of it online.

Saying that though I can't remotely see why this would be worth anywhere near that amount

i think people get mixed up with art and painting

this guy has got thousands of people thinking about and discussing a piece of work

to me thats more art than a guy who can perfectly paint a pretty sunset or some shit

its spose to invoke a reaction, and it does...

Agent 47 wrote:i think people get mixed up with art and painting

this guy has got thousands of people thinking about and discussing a piece of work

to me thats more art than a guy who can perfectly paint a pretty sunset or some shit

Only cos some idiot paid 43.8 mil for it. If someone paid $2 for it you wouldn't have said that. The content is vacuous.

Someone paying that kind of money i suspect is for investment reasons, rather than them caring about the actual art

hugh wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:i think people get mixed up with art and painting

this guy has got thousands of people thinking about and discussing a piece of work

to me thats more art than a guy who can perfectly paint a pretty sunset or some shit

Only cos some idiot paid 43.8 mil for it. If someone paid $2 for it you wouldn't have said that. The content is vacuous.

yeah but thats beside the point

and thats the point

inflated value, false economy, speculation etc etc.
The world is in a sad state imo.

Agent 47 wrote:

hugh wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:i think people get mixed up with art and painting

this guy has got thousands of people thinking about and discussing a piece of work

to me thats more art than a guy who can perfectly paint a pretty sunset or some shit

Only cos some idiot paid 43.8 mil for it. If someone paid $2 for it you wouldn't have said that. The content is vacuous.

yeah but thats beside the point

and thats the point

Not sure I agree, I think the buck stops there. There's nothing to discuss other than "is it worth the money"
Which is really not a discussion of art at all. It's a discussion of economy and value.

wolf89 wrote:I'm assuming this is one of those "you have to see it in person" things which is definitely something I've experienced dramatically myself when going to galleries vs looking at a picture of it online

Mona Lisa is much less impressive in real life, same with The Persistence of Memory. Both a lot smaller than I'd imagined.

By contrast, Garden Of Earthly Delights is a lot more impressive in real life than pictures I'd seen of it before hand.

Rönin wrote:

$$$$$$$$$$

u got to hold down shift button bro

Too much perfection would spoil the emotion of my art m8, now where the millions at

I'm with Hugh on this. It's bullshit.

Give me a Dulux colour chart, about 5ltrs of emulsion, some undercoat and 2-3 days and I could knock that out no problem. In fact, I have done similar and it only cost the client and extra £100.

There is zero artistic merit to this.

Rönin wrote:Too much perfection would spoil the emotion of my art m8, now where the millions at

tbf joke about it, but thats it

where are your millions at?

also i dont even care about this, but it is what it is

and it is art

Laszlo wrote:I'm with Hugh on this. It's bullshit.

Give me a Dulux colour chart, about 5ltrs of emulsion, some undercoat and 2-3 days and I could knock that out no problem. In fact, I have done similar and it only cost the client and extra £100.

There is zero artistic merit to this.

So is this a case of some art being more valid than others?

Three things.

The problem is with the commercial side of art, not the art.

I don't think "anyone could do that"

and even if you could do that, you didn't

(hopefully that makes sense, I dunno)

Laszlo wrote:Give me a Dulux colour chart, about 5ltrs of emulsion, some undercoat and 2-3 days and I could knock that out no problem.

wolf89 wrote:I don't think "anyone could do that"

and even if you could do that, you didn't

Interesting to see both sides of the coin so closely together here.

nah it didn't.

yeah, i dont get why he did it and why his sold for that much

but theres gotta be a reason

and the answer isn't that its just some dumb rich person with too much money

cus what made them buy his and not some other guys

Well I it's difficult to judge but I would still suggest that in person there's a lot more thought put into it than it would seem from the picture on here.

But the point would still stand even if it was something that could be simply replicated.

I mean this is going a bit off topic but I saw this Sun Ra interview where after he made a fuck ton of noise by widly twiddling knobs on a synth over the band going crazy this guy says "my six year old daughter could play what you were doing then" and Sun Ra replies "yes she could, but could she write it?"

This is all purely looking at it's worth as art not it's financial value here though. Again I would say I would have to see it in person to judge it. I mean saying all this is making the assumption that it's not just shite when you see it then and that it was all for the money (which a lot of modern art I feel could be)

That's a hugely different thing which I think Agent is touching upon a bit more.

It's a case of time spent being more valid than others.
My work protects a wall from damp and mould and looks nice.
Work in op looks nice.

Neither is worth more than a couple of hundred £s.


I don't see why Wolf doesn't think "anyone could do that". OK, literally anyone couldn't, but if you have any substantial experience with a paintbrush/painting materials and other equipment/knowledge of techniques/the viscosity of different paints you could do it.