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Leave Blank wrote:When a Christian says on this very forum he knows God and has encountered the Holy Spirit it is quickly passed off as hysteria, delusion or something similar. When we are encountering beings in a state of existence beyond the realms of typical human brain function it's perfectly plausible and not at all mocked and logically disassembled. Double standards people.

hey I met Jesus once
he was wandering around the dark recesses of my consciousness holding a lantern
the light of which comforted me & had me realize that aspects of him & the hermit had merged
had a little talk...nice bloke, well-intentioned & devoted.
hope you don't find this blasphemous, he was human after all.

personally I'd never write off the Christian faith, it's adherents or it's astral beings
as long as its believers don't become dogmatic & self-righteous
after all, the mystery isn't fully explainable by a religion

This place just keeps dribbling bizarre.

Leave Blank wrote:This place just keeps dribbling bizarre.

Matthew 7.1

Terpit wrote:

Leave Blank wrote:This place just keeps dribbling bizarre.

Matthew 7.1

sonned

anyway, as for old souls:

As I wandered around a festival offering massages while heavily tripping on lsd
I came upon a resplendent being among us mundane mortals.
Physically he had a fineness about him but there seemed to be a deeper purity,
something infinitely calm & knowing.
We hardly spoke yet there was an excitement, an instant recognition
& even when, straight, I met him a few times afterwards I felt an ageless bond.
My girlfriend could see it too & wasn't jealous or worried about it being a sexual attraction.
Despite his apparent spiritual evolution he was in the process of finding his way.
He eventually became a bigwig in the Hare Krishnas which I might have otherwise found perplexing
if I didn't understand that was the constraint he adopted to live a simple life of service.

apart from me mate, the volleyball
is it worth going on with these accounts of meeting beings that "don't exist"?
I've got the guy into primaling, the Mushroom Queen, Horus ,Long Pee the therevadan priest & Thic Quong Ba the hinayanan monk to go
but if nobody else has anything worth telling
I'm probably just indulging myself again.
So we'll leave it at that.

Don't get me wrong
I'm not feeling sorry for myself, neglected or misunderstood
I just don't want to waste my energy telling stuff to the cloth-eared.
I'd rather expend it gamboling on All Fools Day.

I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.

no & no I don't
really important questions imo

DRTY wrote:I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.

It's more like those drugs remove the filters our brains have acquired over time, and we can see the universe for what it really is.

ninjadog wrote:

DRTY wrote:I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.

It's more like those drugs remove the filters our brains have acquired over time, and we can see the universe for what it really is.

I still don't believe that. It's too untestable. How do you know that they weren't just replaced with a DIFFERENT filter that you think is more real? I've done some psychedelics in my time and I think what I experienced on them is just as 'real' and 'fake' as what I experience without them.

We're humans, we'll never know what it means to be objective in our perception and judgement.

ninjadog wrote:

DRTY wrote:I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.

It's more like those drugs remove the filters our brains have acquired over time, and we can see the universe for what it really is.

mmmmyeah i just don't buy it. The brain is an extremely powerful thing, maybe it makes you think that you're seeing stuff that is really there which you couldn't see previously, but imo drugs cannot give you new sensory inputs.

sd5 wrote:apart from me mate, the volleyball
is it worth going on with these accounts of meeting beings that "don't exist"?
I've got the guy into primaling, the Mushroom Queen, Horus ,Long Pee the therevadan priest & Thic Quong Ba the hinayanan monk to go
but if nobody else has anything worth telling
I'm probably just indulging myself again.
So we'll leave it at that.

Don't get me wrong
I'm not feeling sorry for myself, neglected or misunderstood
I just don't want to waste my energy telling stuff to the cloth-eared.
I'd rather expend it gamboling on All Fools Day.

I'm finding it quite fascinating tbh, it's related to some of the things I catch myself pondering now and then, the anecdotes add more fuel for my internal ramblings. Not commanding you to continue or anything just saying it hasn't all been in vain so far!

Genevieve wrote:

ninjadog wrote:

DRTY wrote:I don't get it. Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions? surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't percieve without them.

It's more like those drugs remove the filters our brains have acquired over time, and we can see the universe for what it really is.

I still don't believe that. It's too untestable. How do you know that they weren't just replaced with a DIFFERENT filter that you think is more real? I've done some psychedelics in my time and I think what I experienced on them is just as 'real' and 'fake' as what I experience without them.

We're humans, we'll never know what it means to be objective in our perception and judgement.

Your right that we'll never know. But from my personal experience with psycs it enhanced my perception of what might be out there and those memories did not go away once I came down. It's hard to put into words and I don't want to be all cliche saying it opened doors and bullshit like that, but to some degree that's a good explanation. But those memories are just as real and any other memories I have. So it makes it hard to draw a line and say this is real this is not, especially when your view of things that were 100% real or fake come into question after you take a closer look at them from a different mind state.

Damn my n!gguh, real talk... beside the mighty DMT (p.b.u.i.) , my sleep paralysis.... beings have talk to me.

I agree there is a filtering system that keeps us at bay. Psychedelics decrease filtering of the meta-data of the other realm/existence/planes/e.t.c.
The most advance beings would travel through metaphysical means, not actual physical planes. Also going through blood chokes (BJJ [not tapping out]), I go to the most craziest places.

I guess until death will we find out, and to y'all atheist who say one your dead, your dead.... the universe itself within googol by the power of googol years, the state of physics will eventually change into something unrecognizable. Perhaps back to a soup of everything/nothingness (cosmic singularity) just to restart some perpetual oscillation of existence once more.

I'd love to fully understand your post
so p.b.u.i.?
blood chokes?
BJJ?
Everything else inkles but I'd like clarity on the above to dig fully.
Like please. Deliberate with-holding of important insight is uncool, yeah?

Vast-Grid wrote:Damn my n!gguh, real talk... beside the mighty DMT (p.b.u.i.) , my sleep paralysis.... beings have talk to me.

I agree there is a filtering system that keeps us at bay. Psychedelics decrease filtering of the meta-data of the other realm/existence/planes/e.t.c.
The most advance beings would travel through metaphysical means, not actual physical planes. Also going through blood chokes (BJJ [not tapping out]), I go to the most craziest places.

I guess until death will we find out, and to y'all atheist who say one your dead, your dead.... the universe itself within googol by the power of googol years, the state of physics will eventually change into something unrecognizable. Perhaps back to a soup of everything/nothingness (cosmic singularity) just to restart some perpetual oscillation of existence once more.

Has anyone noticed how little sense these people who claim to go through all this stuff make? You can't just use big words and stuff to try and overwhelm your opposition mate, we aren't that thick. I mean seriously, you ACTUALLY wrote "Psychedelics decrease filtering of the meta-data of the other realm/existence/planes etc."

^ to be fair to our Vast God, this is difficult stuff to clearly express
even if you fully understand what you're trying to say

DRTY wrote:Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions?

Halucinogens at first tend to colour existing conceptions, zoom in & add detail, zoom out & add perspective.
Then their insubstantiality becomes increasingly apparent, the picture plane (what is being sensed) a screen to what lies beyond.
Far from a mish mash, there's a sorting & stripping towards essence.

wrote:surely you don't actually believe taking them enables you to 'access' other plains of existence/realities you can't perceive without them.

Until the curtain fully draws aside
revealing what always has been & ever is.

imo, this only becomes "access to other planes of existence" if,
overwhelmed by raw reality, I attempt to objectify the experience,
& distance it to protect my constructed self from dissolution,
to reintegrate with my previous way of being.

Otherwise, prepared for the sublimation of hard-held identifications,
open to loss and change,
the screen loses its primacy for my attention,
the illusory curtain remains drawn
and yet life returns to normal,
permeated by a reassuring sense of everything's impermanence
and a choice of what matters.

sd5 wrote:^ to be fair to our Vast God, this is difficult stuff to clearly express
even if you fully understand what you're trying to say

DRTY wrote:Don't such drugs merely make a mish mash of your existing perceptions?

Halucinogens at first tend to colour existing conceptions, zoom in & add detail, zoom out & add perspective.
Then their insubstantiality becomes increasingly apparent, the picture plane (what is being sensed) a screen to what lies beyond.
Far from a mish mash, there's a sorting & stripping towards essence.

I think that's just your personal interpretation of the experience though, not what's 'actually happening'. (I'm not trying to poo poo your fun btw, just trying to understand it a little).

Why is humbleness about your sober state of mind encouraged, but not about your mind on psychedelics?