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stand up in front of your midi controller. whip out your cock and slap your controller with your boner for a bit. you should have a decent melody in no time.

Shonky wrote:

Dj Acto wrote:of course im getting melodies in my head i just need a way to get them integrated in the track

Ok, fair enough. Best thing then would be to do some ear training so that you can get those melodies out more quickly and so that you don't have to waste time trying to figure out which notes you want to use. Learning scales is a pretty useful one as it will familiarize you with the notes and how they sit together. It's also worthwhile having some understanding of how harmonies come from there too. Then you can start to understand why some notes clunk and some harmonize. If you go further into this you can then start using passing notes to add tension or move to diatonic notes to make resolution.

Ear training is the key though for sure. Pretty certain there's probably some free resources on the net for that sort of thing which should help you out.

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Dj Acto wrote:

Misk wrote:

Dj Acto wrote:of course im getting melodies in my head i just need a way to get them integrated in the track

stand up in front of your midi controller. whip out your cock and slap your controller with your boner for a bit. you should have a decent melody in no time.
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Its all about scales, notes that work together.

Every music from Western to india has a scale, look 4 examples or buy a cheap music book.

I found a program that will give you every scale, u just choose which type n then what key note n it'll tell you what notes will go with the key note.

I saw a music program on TV n he said with scales as long as you know the notes n use the right notes in the scale whatever pattern you put down will sound right.

Get searchin ppl

DJ $hy wrote:Its all about scales, notes that work together.

Every music from Western to india has a scale, look 4 examples or buy a cheap music book.

I found a program that will give you every scale, u just choose which type n then what key note n it'll tell you what notes will go with the key note.

I saw a music program on TV n he said with scales as long as you know the notes n use the right notes in the scale whatever pattern you put down will sound right.

I studied loads of scales many moons ago when I was learning guitar. From that I then got an interest in modes and how you can play those over chords to give different harmonies (the most simplistic example of this would be playing a minor pentatonic over a major chord with the same root note which would emphasize the blues notes to suggest a #9 chord).

When you start going more heavily into the understanding of this and chord substitutions in jazz, it does eventually become clear that any note in the chromatic scale can be used against any chord, although some of these will obviously sound better as "passing" notes as if sustained they will become noticeably dischordant. Then again you might want this tension in your music and not require the resolution, as is common in atonal music. So although it's always useful to know the rules of music, ultimately once known you can break them.

Although I know how keys and harmonies work, I can't remember the last time I've ever felt the need to use them and I'd be amazed if any of my tunes do actually adhere to a particular key at all. I blame too much Sonic Youth in my formative years

Shonky wrote: Ear training is the key though for sure. Pretty certain there's probably some free resources on the net for that sort of thing which should help you out.

http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf

this is a great pdf guide to music theory, scales, modes etc. pretty easy to digest unlike a lot of music theory docs!

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DJ $hy wrote:Its all about scales, notes that work together.

Every music from Western to india has a scale, look 4 examples or buy a cheap music book.

I found a program that will give you every scale, u just choose which type n then what key note n it'll tell you what notes will go with the key note.

I saw a music program on TV n he said with scales as long as you know the notes n use the right notes in the scale whatever pattern you put down will sound right.

Get searchin ppl

http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/piano/

Can't remember who I got this from. Someone on here I suspect. Thank you whoever you are.

ikeaboy wrote:I can't play so I sing melodies through a mike (or headphones stuck into an audio input) then match it with midi. Makes for a more natural spontanious vibe

this, i like.

i was in this position some time ago, as i'd never had any proper formal training in music - i never learned an instrument, and our music teacher at school was an alcoholic who wouldn't show up for months on end. I read lots of music theory books, but none of it really clicked.
what made the breakthrough for me was ear training - and it was much easier than i thought. I used a program called Ear Master School or something and did 15 minutes or so a day for a month, and in that time i went from getting 50% right to 90% which was good enough to transcribe melodies i liked from songs so i knew what they did, and have a bash at writing down the ones i could hear in my head.
Learn to recognise simple chords and intervals and that will give you enough skill to do this.

ikeaboy wrote:

jim wrote:Most asinine thread ever?

Hey at least I now know what asinine means. Increase your word power at the dubstep forum.

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Anyways, I am relatively 'musically minded' (i think...) but I my musical theory is pretty lax. I find that if I have a melody I like in my head, its sometimes worth recording it - whistling or humming - otherwise I'll probably forget it. Then you can listen back to it, transposing it note for note into a sequencer. I can't tell you how many times I've suddenly had a catchy tune in my head and forgotten it before I've managed to get it down... its quite irritatiing.

Its also worth playing about with different notes at the same time to see which ones are complementary, and which combinations you like. A keyboard might help here, but isn't essential.

Cheers all

gravious wrote:

ikeaboy wrote:

jim wrote:Most asinine thread ever?

Hey at least I now know what asinine means. Increase your word power at the dubstep forum.

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Anyways, I am relatively 'musically minded' (i think...) but I my musical theory is pretty lax. I find that if I have a melody I like in my head, its sometimes worth recording it - whistling or humming - otherwise I'll probably forget it. Then you can listen back to it, transposing it note for note into a sequencer. I can't tell you how many times I've suddenly had a catchy tune in my head and forgotten it before I've managed to get it down... its quite irritatiing.

Its also worth playing about with different notes at the same time to see which ones are complementary, and which combinations you like. A keyboard might help here, but isn't essential.

Yeah I record myself beetboxing and humming into my cellphone all the time. Sometimes in public I get all hype and get an idea. I pretend like I'm making a call when I'm actually humming or beatboxing quietly into my phone.

NOOO!!!! That melody doesn't sound dubstep enough!