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Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:37 pm
by bouncingfish
I don't think I get it, but If you're saying what I think you're saying (which would be wierd), just go into the mixer, select all the channels and bring them up a couple db? Why would you have to do your mixdown again?
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:15 pm
by nowaysj
-30 db is too much, I know what you are talking about, noise floor/bitdepth. But -30db is too much. If you're peaking at -30, probably averaging around -40, and most individual tracks are probably averaging ~ -50. Do you have compressors with thresholds that low?
Just do the mix again. I'm telling you. It is less work than you think, AND you will learn some things. It is not a bad idea to mix something twice. You may make different decisions, that may be better than the first decisions you made.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:22 pm
by SunkLo
Yeah redo the mix.
Using a gain plugin won't affect sound quality though. 32 bit float audio engines have crazy dynamic range. Just find a plugin with an output gain control or grab a dedicated gain trim plugin. They're useful for mixing anyway so you might as well download a freeware one. The VST SDK comes with one already coded as an example so I doubt it'll be too hard to find
There's always that Cerberus Audio one with like a bajillion steps. Pretty unnecessary but hey.
I wouldn't use a limiter on the off chance it's doing something. Usually I'll just crack a Pro-Q on and use the out gain.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:47 pm
by ChadDub
All you have to do is put an EQ on the master, raise the master volume (in the EQ) all the way up, that'll probably get you to like -20, then put another one and do it again and there you go.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:19 am
by bennyfroobs
nowaysj wrote:-30 db is too much, I know what you are talking about, noise floor/bitdepth. But -30db is too much. If you're peaking at -30, probably averaging around -40, and most individual tracks are probably averaging ~ -50. Do you have compressors with thresholds that low?
Just do the mix again. I'm telling you. It is less work than you think, AND you will learn some things. It is not a bad idea to mix something twice. You may make different decisions, that may be better than the first decisions you made.
yea safe thanks jose
that is what i was talking about however poorly explained it was haha
but the whole track isnt peaking at -30,the snare and kick are and the rest of the stuff built up around those. sleep decisions.
manz it would be so much hassle to redo the whole thing haha i guess it would be a good learning experience though
safe for the helpful responses crew

Re: mixdown question
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:20 am
by SunkLo
Can't you also just select all the tracks and turn them up? Most DAWs let you do that.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:26 am
by bennyfroobs
like so they all go up at by the same amount synchronizedly? ill investigate
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:28 am
by SunkLo
Yep.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:04 am
by nowaysj
bennyfroobs wrote:manz it would be so much hassle to redo the whole thing haha i guess it would be a good learning experience though
Yeah, what I'm trying to get you to learn is that it wouldn't be all that much work. It was a lot of work the first time, because it was all new, you were just making the track for the first. Now you've got it done, you know where everything is and belongs, you'd be surprised how fast it goes. Prolly gonna make slightly better decisions, which is what that phase of mixing is all about.
Neways, you can lead a horse to water.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:44 pm
by gcraz
woah woah woah, this dude is trolling right?
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:39 am
by bennyfroobs
brer dont start if u know whats good 4 u
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:43 am
by SunkLo
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:17 am
by smalltock
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i suggets u trun doun al th chanuls evan mroe! Thn wen u cn't here it u rendr it n normuliz in audactitty
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:35 am
by bennyfroobs
lol are you peasants new to trolling or something
this is pitiful
i advise you stop before you embarrass yourselves even further
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:50 am
by NinjaEdit
Yes, you lose sound quality in the form of bit depth.
Try reading MONEYSHOT.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:24 am
by SunkLo
Not with a 32 bit floating point audio engine. Now if you were to render to 16 bit audio and then try to normalize the wav, then you'd run into some problems. Namely cranking the volume of the noise floor.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:11 am
by bennyfroobs
jonahmann wrote:Yes, you lose sound quality in the form of bit depth.
Try reading MONEYSHOT.
aye man i read all that stuff ages ago, which is why i asked this cos i remembered something about it. unfortunately i have the memory of a disabled goldfish so i explained it like a complete retard
cheers sunk
shoutout to all the clueless morons feebly trolling my perfectly legitimate question. up your game, peons
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:23 pm
by ChadDub
If you would just go into your daw and do the shit you would've been done a week ago rather than just sit on here waiting for someone to give you a simple solution.
Just turn everything down. Start with the kick, bring it to a good level like -16. This is your starting point of your mix. Now bring up the snare until it sits how you want it against the kick. Now bring up the hats. Now bring up the sub bass. Now bring up everything else piece by piece. You'll be done in 10 minutes.
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:45 pm
by bennyfroobs
fs please read
all i wanted to know was what sunk told me about the noise floor
i dont need 1000 people to tell me what i already know about levels in a mixdown lol
the beat was finished and i had like a million channels and a gazillion things in the sampler, i couldnt be aresd to sift through them all and re-mix them. too much effort for a mini thing i made at 3 am. i woudlnt be done in 10 minutes lol
Re: mixdown question
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:36 pm
by smalltock
You need to put every channel to 0dB and bassboost the highs; that'd do it fer yeh