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Nah prison time is higher on the sentence scale than fines and judges aren't allowed to give you higher sentences unless written in the law (even if they wanted to, they couldn't.) That's how it works in the belgian penal code anyway, & even if it's not the case in your Common Law the european court has authority and I'm pretty sure they've already applied the same system a few timesLaszlo wrote:Is it possible to refuse to pay fines? Like, can you just say "No thanks your honour, i'll take prison time please"?
Is it not better just registering rather than being stubborn and waiting to find out then getting hammered with a big fine?Hibbie wrote:The reason why I ask is because I have read about people recieving these threats of being fined but it is very rare that anything actually happens. People saying they haven't registered in years rven though they have had people knocking the door asking them to register.
So you can't just say "Ahhh, go fuck yourself."? Does the court just take it out of your bank account?Rönin wrote:Nah prison time is higher on the sentence scale than fines and judges aren't allowed to give you higher sentences unless written in the law (even if they wanted to, they couldn't.) That's how it works in the belgian penal code anyway, & even if it's not the case in your Common Law the european court has authority and I'm pretty sure they've already applied the same system a few timesLaszlo wrote:Is it possible to refuse to pay fines? Like, can you just say "No thanks your honour, i'll take prison time please"?
Mate I just haven't been arsed to do anything with it it really hasn't been a big deal.Liam92 wrote:Is it not better just registering rather than being stubborn and waiting to find out then getting hammered with a big fine?Hibbie wrote:The reason why I ask is because I have read about people recieving these threats of being fined but it is very rare that anything actually happens. People saying they haven't registered in years rven though they have had people knocking the door asking them to register.
if you don't comply after judgement bailiffs are most likely to take contact with your bank, take what they're owed and send a report to your house afterwards (dick move but the courts allowed it here). if you're insolvent with your bank account only they'll show up to your house with an expert, evaluate your furniture and ask you to pick stuff that they'll sell until they get what they're owed and give you back the difference. This rarely happens because as I said earlier it's the most expensive, bailiffs get paid more when they're on the move and the expert gets paid too so you'll never see them show up at your house for a 100 quid fine. I would advise you to check up on the dates of those fines, they might have lapsed alreadyLaszlo wrote:So you can't just say "Ahhh, go fuck yourself."? Does the court just take it out of your bank account?Rönin wrote:Nah prison time is higher on the sentence scale than fines and judges aren't allowed to give you higher sentences unless written in the law (even if they wanted to, they couldn't.) That's how it works in the belgian penal code anyway, & even if it's not the case in your Common Law the european court has authority and I'm pretty sure they've already applied the same system a few timesLaszlo wrote:Is it possible to refuse to pay fines? Like, can you just say "No thanks your honour, i'll take prison time please"?
Need to know. There are certain fines I would kick up a fuss about.
Get a leng to the jaw!Rönin wrote:they'll show up to your house with an expert, evaluate your furniture and
In Belgium you don't need to register to vote (why would you register in the first place), but if you don't vote you get fined too. The idea behind it is that because they NEED to vote, they will automatically start spending more attention to politics, get involved and so on. Here's the twist though: not a lot of people seem to care about politics, fine or not.Genevieve wrote:Extorting people into voting. How moral.kidshuffle wrote:1000 is a bit much, but tbh im all about fining those who aren't registered. Having those laws in places has created a larger voter turnout in some countries.
How about increasing the turnout by giving more attractive options?
Why should we even bother to vote? We already know who's gonna win.NilsFG wrote:In Belgium you don't need to register to vote (why would you register in the first place), but if you don't vote you get fined too. The idea behind it is that because they NEED to vote, they will automatically start spending more attention to politics, get involved and so on. Here's the twist though: not a lot of people seem to care about politics, fine or not.Genevieve wrote:Extorting people into voting. How moral.kidshuffle wrote:1000 is a bit much, but tbh im all about fining those who aren't registered. Having those laws in places has created a larger voter turnout in some countries.
How about increasing the turnout by giving more attractive options?
I don't know which one is worse though; only those with strong opinions voting, or everybody voting including a lot of people who don't know what they're actually voting for.
New elections in a few months and I have no clue what to vote for and probably won't have then. Ain't got time nor patience to follow the Belgian political circus.
And even if a miracle happens, the alternatives aren't better. But i don't think that i'm going to vote. Despite of having a big interest in politics (and philosophy) i don't really care anymore.Why should you register to vote if you don't want to? My mate prefers the government don't know his existence because they are demonstrably a bunch of pricksm8son wrote:lol instead of acting the smartarse why not just take the 15 mins, or however long, needed to register to vote ffs
It's not a case of acting a smartarse just for the sake of it. The government are essentially saying "you will add your name to this or we'll fine you for it". If people don't want to register to vote, they should have the freedom of choice to do so without being penalised excessively for it.m8son wrote:lol instead of acting the smartarse why not just take the 15 mins, or however long, needed to register to vote ffs
wub wrote:It's the principlem8son wrote:lol instead of acting the smartarse why not just take the 15 mins, or however long, needed to register to vote ffs
Fuckem and fuck this strawman bullshit, its just a way to shut down discussion. #fightthepowerwub wrote:(I'm trying to think of an analogy that doesn't go completely straw man to illustrate my point, but knowing the folk on here who like to look for loopholes/fallacies in others comments instead of actually debating the issue, I thought better of it.)
Like refusing to do it in the first place?m8son wrote:why not do something about it and try and get them to change the procedure?