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southstar wrote:

m8son wrote: I agree, also: If you don't like the country you live in move to a better one.

You're the one bigging up ukip and saying immigration should be cut

Yeah i don't really believe that just trying to point out a fault in Wub's logic.

Misguided protest and being caught up in the wave is nearly as bad;



Peter Schiff taking apart some 99% protestors who really don't know what they're protesting about.

M8son - seriously recommend you watching this.

Full (1h48m) version here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA

m8son wrote:If you don't like the country you live in move to a better one.

I did.

yeah good point.

That video looks good, will watch when i get back from uni.

Dear god, they are idiots. That guy who starts talking about slavery looool.

Just realised he's wearing a v for vendetta mask too hahaha.

Even when people are actually getting out there and doing something, they're often doing it in a misguided fashion.

I wouldn't be able to stand arguing with those idiots i would just give up and make it rain on those fools.

wub wrote:

m8son wrote:If you don't like the country you live in move to a better one.

I did.

Aren't the Spanish gov trying to pass an unauthorized protest bill?

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

wub wrote:

m8son wrote:If you don't like the country you live in move to a better one.

I did.

Aren't the Spanish gov trying to pass an unauthorized protest bill?

Yes, there are a few weird ones going on here at the moment. Unauthorised protest, fining people for drinking in public up to €30k (should be fun to watch them try to enforce), some girl in Madrid has gone to prison for making hate statements on Twitter as well this week;

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/world ... .html?_r=0

'Inciting terror' over Twitter;

One of the messages called for the murder of the conservative prime minister, Mariano Rajoy. “I promise to tattoo myself with the face of the person who shoots Rajoy in the neck,” she wrote.

This is the group she was on about GRAPO.

wub wrote:Misguided protest and being caught up in the wave is nearly as bad;



Peter Schiff taking apart some 99% protestors who really don't know what they're protesting about.

M8son - seriously recommend you watching this.

Full (1h48m) version here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA

This guy makes some pretty good points. Thanks for posting.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:1. We're two years on from the worst riots in living memory.
2. I've been on two protests already this year.
3. Slacktivism gets people informed and involved in a form of protest (however toothless) that wouldn't normally bother to turn up to a march at all... that can only be a good thing.

Were the riots actually about something for anyone other than maybe a few people in North London, or was it mostly just urban yoot out on the rob from JJB?

If they hadn't been turned into senseless riots, I would've been marching to protest the broken relationship between the Metropolitan Police and vast swathes of the population of London. Mark Duggan's killing provided a spark, but the pyre had been building for years through heavy-handed enforcement of Anti Terror legislation, stop and search, deaths in custody and mistakes by armed police. Da Yoof didn't decide overnight that they hate the police, most of us have been taught to distrust them in almost every interaction with them we've ever had (even me, straight-laced and pussyole to the core, have had a statement faked by the police against me and been threatened with "arrest" for pointing out double standards) - that is NOT an acceptable situation. The police are supposed to be on our side and it rarely feels like they are -> PROTEST - unfortunately, if you start that protest right after a particularly emotive police failure, you might end up with what can be called 'meaningless' riot by those that don't want to expend any brain cycles thinking about root cause.

What do YOU think, wub?

God, almost everyone in that vid is an idiot, presenter included. Honestly, nothing's that black and white is it.

Market will free us all!

Market is evil!

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Difference being the presenter's beliefs and actions have earned him hundreds of millions, whereas the occupy people's actions and beliefs has got them living in a park moaning about shit they can't change.

m8son wrote:

wub wrote:Hold up...if you're paying too much rent, move somewhere cheaper. I can't afford a Koenigsegg, doesn't mean I'm putting a brick through the dealership window.

I agree, also: If you don't like the country you live in move to a better one. If you don't get paid enough get a better job.

Easier said than done in most countries though

magma wrote:What do YOU think, wub?

might protest by refusing to participate in any more wub opinion threads until he clearly states his opinion on the matter in the first post.

why have magma and mason got weird avatars?

m8son wrote:Difference being the presenter's beliefs and actions have earned him hundreds of millions, whereas the occupy people's actions and beliefs has got them living in a park moaning about shit they can't change.

Like I said, nothing is that black and white....

That guy's rich because he got a job at Lehman Brothers. Not sure everyone in the US could get a job there, I doubt they have 300,000,000 jobs available.

I agree with some of the things he said, he made some very salient points, but so did some of the other people.

Wall St. weren't blameless in all this, far from it, but all he does is blame government and make the spurious claim that completely unregulated capitalism would solve all our problems.

It's this religious like fervour surrounding 'the market' that makes me go hmmmm :/ It's like watching people debate religion. x will save us all and deliver us a utopia (replace x with any economic, political or religious theory)


Also, your avatar looks like my ex-girlfriend and it's really unnerving me

karmacazee wrote:Also, your avatar looks like my ex-girlfriend and it's really unnerving me

magma wrote:What do YOU think, wub?

Too many people think that clicking a link or sharing something on social media counts as protesting, basically.

Oh, you changed your profile pic? Fantastic, that will really show them you mean business! Bollocks like that, basically. It's on a par with 1m likes to get a new kidney or some such rubbish.

It worries me, it has done for a while. The social media wave means people do less and less real world stuff. Apathy isn't so much a problem as it is a symptom. I found myself last night wondering what an EMP would do, and once I got past the initial mental shopping list of what I'd loot from the supermarket to get me through the first week or so, it was like I stopped caring. About any of this. All this online rubbish. It's a blessing and a curse, you've got whatever you want on tap in terms of information and media, but at the same time it desensitises you to the outside world.

The feeling of detachment is really growing for me with all of this, it's a strange feeling. Not isolation so much as the aforementioned apathy...I've started giving a lot less of a shit since leaving London for obvious reasons, so the UK based dissent seems really distant, and the exposure I am getting to it through social media seems forced, or at worst insincere. People retweeting for the sake f it, not giving any real thought to what they're clicking through.

Even the Today Show seems a long way away, and it got me through a lot. But it's irrelevant, for the most part. Or maybe I've switched off caring about those aspects of what once affected me.