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baddis98 wrote:

cellmusic wrote:FYI I even had to buy my own copy of my record from Chemical records for £10.99

10.99 for a tempa 12 on chemical? now you're talking bullshit.

That's what my own vinyl cost me when it first came out.. sorry you have a problem with this. It's still £5.99 to buy now and its been out for Five Years. See for yourself http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/se ... k=TEMPA044

Please any positive comments?

rareclub wrote:We like this one

Great Label it really looks the business, but I meant record labels haha.

If anyone wants to promote their label feel free, but please if your going to stitch me up then leave it haha

"The essence of the numerology number 44 is a focus on efficient and conscientious business building. 44 builds for both the present and the future. It wants rewards for its work in the present and it wants to have a large positive effect on the future."
http://affinitynumerology.com/number-me ... ssence.php

cellmusic wrote:"The essence of the numerology number 44 is a focus on efficient and conscientious business building. 44 builds for both the present and the future. It wants rewards for its work in the present and it wants to have a large positive effect on the future."
http://affinitynumerology.com/number-me ... ssence.php

ironic eh?

i dont have anything to add apart from telling you that it's really sad that you wrote that gem and got ripped off. that track made my day bro.

f1rstsense wrote:i dont have anything to add apart from telling you that it's really sad that you wrote that gem and got ripped off. that track made my day bro.

Kind words mate appreciated..

Judging by what other artists have told me in confidence its happening alot more than peeps know about.

Still waiting to hear anything positive about a big label to date actually. hence thread

If you still own rights to the music, and have accepted you aren't going to get money from the label, start giving it away free, piss them off.

Id love to get as far in producing as even getting to the stage where I get label problems ha

snick01 wrote:If you still own rights to the music, and have accepted you aren't going to get money from the label, start giving it away free, piss them off.

Id love to get as far in producing as even getting to the stage where I get label problems ha

I was thinking of releasing a few remixes on an E.P with a free give away of the original.

Artists are eager to be heard and Labels are happy to take your music, and take all the credit and money without any fears of reprisal. Im hearing that other artists arent getting paid too. It's a serious issue but many peeps are scared of being bashed for even daring to say about it. Which I dont understand? We all need to support eachother obviously.

I'd like to know has anyone ever had good dealings with a Major Label? If so, we can all send our tracks to them

cellmusic wrote:

baddis98 wrote:

cellmusic wrote:FYI I even had to buy my own copy of my record from Chemical records for £10.99

10.99 for a tempa 12 on chemical? now you're talking bullshit.

That's what my own vinyl cost me when it first came out.. sorry you have a problem with this. It's still £5.99 to buy now and its been out for Five Years. See for yourself http://www.chemical-records.co.uk/sc/se ... k=TEMPA044

Please any positive comments?

no, it's actually sold out. i never saw a regular tempa 12 going for 11 quid at chemical and i'm sure there never has been one.

that aside i don't really understand what you're trying to do. i mean coming here once a year and warming up the same shit again and again surely won't help you. i'm sorry to hear you got fucked over (mainly by your friend and not by the label as i see it), but i've also got the impression you're making this the only one excuse for you not getting a career (realease wise). there are so many labels out there and you're telling me you're not even trying to get your tunes signed because you had this one bad experience? just send your stuff out, if it's good then there's gonna be a label that wants to pick it up. sign a contract, if they don't pay you just sue them, simple. good luck.

baddis98 wrote:

cellmusic wrote:

baddis98 wrote:

cellmusic wrote:FYI I even had to buy my own copy of my record from Chemical records for £10.99

10.99 for a tempa 12 on chemical? now you're talking bullshit.

That's what my own vinyl cost me when it first came out.. sorry you have a problem with this. It's still £5.99 to buy now and its been out for Five Years.

Please any positive comments?

no, it's actually sold out. i never saw a regular tempa 12 going for 11 quid at chemical and i'm sure there never has been one.

that aside i don't really understand what you're trying to do. i mean coming here once a year and warming up the same shit again and again surely won't help you. i'm sorry to hear you got fucked over (mainly by your friend and not by the label as i see it), but i've also got the impression you're making this the only one excuse for you not getting a career (realease wise). there are so many labels out there and you're telling me you're not even trying to get your tunes signed because you had this one bad experience? just send your stuff out, if it's good then there's gonna be a label that wants to pick it up. sign a contract, if they don't pay you just sue them, simple. good luck.

I AM asking about Labels that are decent with the aim of sending them my tracks. Am I out of order for trying to find out who producers can recommend from experience?

I have only made 2 threads ever anywhere in the last five years, Going on again and again.. Really?

My aim is simply to find out who is a good trustworthy label? After what I've had isnt that understandable? It will help me and all us producers to know who to trust? Or whether to go it alone?

I don't want to make the same bad choice again. An informed decision requires doing research. hence thread It seems that the only way for new artists is to self release judging by all the lack of suggestions, but personally I'm not interested in promoting myself, neither am I going to be spamming every label I like tracks on without knowing how they do business first. I only recently started thinking about sending out tracks again as I havent been making tunes for a long while but like I said I'm back now.

Why do you believe the Top Labels shouldn't be discussed when they are ripping off loads of honest artists? Is it all their own fault for trusting them you think?

Every label has a duty to pay artists for their music, and to keep their promises. I said many other artists that I've spoken with have had the same treatment from these big labels.(I've dealt with the management and it is definitely them so I know I'm not mistaken.)

It sounded like you are unhappy that I'm saying these things and you'd rather I stay quiet but- moving forward we all can support up and coming artists by discussing their best way to go!

Been out of the scene a while thought I could ask around who's a good label these days...

I paid £9.99 for my own song (just checked my old order in email) I've never had a penny from the label for it so my music has cost me money yet I made it.

Thanks Bro

Gotta be a lawsuit in there somewhere. Either unpaid royalties or copyright infringement. If you own the rights to your track and they sold it without your written permission (ie in a contract also outlining compensation) then that's infringement. If I were you I'd at least send them a threatening email from your "attorney". Sometimes all it takes is an official looking letterhead and a threat of litigation to get your way. Especially if they know they're in the wrong. They're basically selling stolen property and diminishing your ability to sell your own music. I bet they wouldn't like it if I burned a bunch of Tempa records onto CD-Rs and started selling them on the street corner.

Don't see why this issue can't be brought into the open. DSF being a place for discussion about the scene, surely a major player in the scene practicing some shady business to the detriment of producers should be brought up as an issue. Not like Dubway's gonna get sued every time someone says Benga's a bellend or Mary Anne Hobbs has an ass like a boulder. The sheer number of threads ragging on Skrillex should be testament enough to that. It's a public forum, just put up a classic disclaimer that the views expressed herein do not represent those of 21st Century DubstepForum Incorporated, etc.

Should also add, nice tunes as well

I've been privately PM 'd by the Moderator specifically told not to mention the Label or my thread will be locked. I asked why? He said they are responsible for everything posted here. Theres a disclaimer by them at the top of the screen so I don't really see how that's possible?

And here's is my disclaimer "My views expressed on this thread IN NO WAY reflect the views of the dubstepforum.com and I am soley responsible for everything I say on this topic."

My other posts were locked for bringing this up here, so you can see for yourself that it's not something that peeps really want discussed on the forum.

It is a valid topic for a Dubstep forum to discuss how to help new producers to find out which Label is safe to use when their starting out with no contacts or experience in the industry.

Maybe we might keep ourselves from being shafted by the Big Labels if we were allowed to chat about it?

Just to clarify a couple of things, so everyone doesn't think we're the usual oppressive regime looking to crush the community.

I've been informed *specifically* we can't allow serious legal accusations on the site, it's going to get us into trouble, could be real expensive and I think the most important reason, it's not worth the fucking hassle.

Cells' other threads were locked after the mods and admins discussed what was and wasn't within the lines.

We *want* as many people as possible to be well informed, especially our forum producers when it comes to the shady dealings of the big labels. However, and this might sound harsh, but Cell isn't even sure who is at fault. Is it his co-producer not passing on money earned? Is it the label in question with holding funds? To take it even further, we don't know who Cell is and whether his story is legitimate or not. It's a massive pandora's box that will only result in bad things for the forum.
There are other avenues to air your grievances be it twitter, facebook or other non-moderated social platforms. Places where other people's work, money and passions are not at risk so someone can have a rant.


THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS MY OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF EVENTS, NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF DSF POLICIES.



On a personal note, I've been as polite but frank and honest as possible. I really don't appreciate the implications of 'ulterior motives', which considering my own dealings with the label and people in question is laughable.

Where to go next?
To Cell I would recommend perhaps not setting your sights so high, a release or two on a decent label is a good start, but 2 releases in several years (according to your soundcloud) is not a career. And if you are genuinely being screwed by supposed friends then legal recourse should be your next step if direct communication has failed.
Working with smaller, perhaps less known labels and building your fanbase and following would be my next step. You've had a fucking rough deal, with the label and healthwise, but that's not going to get you releases, bookings or hype. Go to the nights, hit up artists pushing similar sounds, get your tunes to the right dj's and labels will come knocking.

Please don't make further thinly veiled threads to have a whinge, everyone here (including myself, the admins and the mods) genuinely want you and everyone else here to be informed and successful in all things production.

pete bubonic wrote:Just to clarify a couple of things, so everyone doesn't think we're the usual oppressive regime looking to crush the community.

I've been informed *specifically* we can't allow serious legal accusations on the site, it's going to get us into trouble, could be real expensive and I think the most important reason, it's not worth the fucking hassle.

Cells' other threads were locked after the mods and admins discussed what was and wasn't within the lines.

We *want* as many people as possible to be well informed, especially our forum producers when it comes to the shady dealings of the big labels. However, and this might sound harsh, but Cell isn't even sure who is at fault. Is it his co-producer not passing on money earned? Is it the label in question with holding funds? To take it even further, we don't know who Cell is and whether his story is legitimate or not. It's a massive pandora's box that will only result in bad things for the forum.
There are other avenues to air your grievances be it twitter, facebook or other non-moderated social platforms. Places where other people's work, money and passions are not at risk so someone can have a rant.


THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS MY OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF EVENTS, NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF DSF POLICIES.



On a personal note, I've been as polite but frank and honest as possible. I really don't appreciate the implications of 'ulterior motives', which considering my own dealings with the label and people in question is laughable.

Where to go next?
To Cell I would recommend perhaps not setting your sights so high, a release or two on a decent label is a good start, but 2 releases in several years (according to your soundcloud) is not a career. And if you are genuinely being screwed by supposed friends then legal recourse should be your next step if direct communication has failed.
Working with smaller, perhaps less known labels and building your fanbase and following would be my next step. You've had a fucking rough deal, with the label and healthwise, but that's not going to get you releases, bookings or hype. Go to the nights, hit up artists pushing similar sounds, get your tunes to the right dj's and labels will come knocking.

Please don't make further thinly veiled threads to have a whinge, everyone here (including myself, the admins and the mods) genuinely want you and everyone else here to be informed and successful in all things production.

Firstly I really don't wish anything bad on the forum, totally not my goal. I do want to warn people though and also find out what is a good label.

I did get recommended by a friend to come and post here about the situation as I was told this is the best place to let people know that the Top Label in the genre is ripping me and other new comers off. I realise now that maybe they were wrong if this forum can get into trouble. Made no implications of ulterior motives mate, just me not understanding that your disclaimer at top isn't valid in this case oddly..

I am 100% sure that it is the Label at fault, and I am currently pursuing legal action now against them thanks to the advice of you Pete, and other members. And this is happening all the time to people not just me as you well know Bro!

If you don't know who I am, let me tell you, as it's not a secret or hard to find out who I am. My name is Ross Keenleyside. (My name is printed on the record in full and I assure you Im not a phoney). I have NOTHING TO HIDE. Unlike the Top Labels in our genre today. ..

How often do the Labels threaten the forum mate? What do they say?

Do you regularly get threats to prevent threads from mentioning their shadey dealings?

When does a legit discussion about the integrity of the top label in our genre become too risky for Dubstepforum.com to allow to continue?

Considering your own dealings with the label and people in question which you were telling me in private, I don't understand why are you are asking me not to discuss such an important concern for new producers? Fact is I am not afraid to say what they've been doing, even when I'm getting pounced on for speaking up for myself. I pressumed it would be the opposite here, and producers can all support each other by openly talking about how we are being treated?

But if your point is valid about the forum getting into trouble then you are right, and it was my mistake to think I could come here and say this stuff. I thought your disclaimer protected the forum and prevented these things that you're worried about. There are other people on this forum that agree it IS a real issue and worth talking about without fear. so its not just me.

I don't know what having two releases has to do with why I should shut up about them ripping me off? So I havent made tracks for a while? Does that mean I cant say what they did? It's been five years and after my music was 'raped' and due to my other personal commitments I really didn't feel like making any more tracks at the time untill recently.

Please can you suggest any smaller labels to send my tracks to? (Best case, it would eventually lead to being signed to a big label again) - either way I'd like to hear who producers can recommend?

Whinging really isn't what Im saying and certainly doesnt help anyone. I think I know more than anybody that having my track stolen didn't get me anything mate. Is it right that even mentioning it once has got me slammed? I thought people would want to know about the top label doing this? And It will help others like me in future not to get shafted like it was.

Now Im trying to find out What Good Labels are out there so we can all send our tracks to them? No one is suggesting anything so I assume we have to go solo now days or risk being put through the meat grinder? Dealing with the public and promoting myself isn't my forte. And I've got no idea who people think is best to send their Dubstep tracks to these days...?

Everyone, positive comments only please

There's lots of types of label out there from bad to good you have:-

- Downright shady, will not pay you and have no intention other than taking your track
- Incompetent & so unlikely to be able to make you any money form your track
- Competent but unlucky this time round (these guys put the work in but sometimes releases just don't take off)
- Finally the ones that know what they are doing and manage to release your track at just the right time that you both see financial success (we aren't talking millions but enough to feel it's been worthwhile signing it)

The first two have warning signs and you should try to become familiar with spotting them, as for the last 2 if you come across them keep those bridges built and try not to go too hard on the decent ones that just have an unlucky break.

outbound wrote:There's lots of types of label out there from bad to good you have:-

- Downright shady, will not pay you and have no intention other than taking your track
- Incompetent & so unlikely to be able to make you any money form your track
- Competent but unlucky this time round (these guys put the work in but sometimes releases just don't take off)
- Finally the ones that know what they are doing and manage to release your track at just the right time that you both see financial success (we aren't talking millions but enough to feel it's been worthwhile signing it)

The first two have warning signs and you should try to become familiar with spotting them, as for the last 2 if you come across them keep those bridges built and try not to go too hard on the decent ones that just have an unlucky break.

Thanks Bro and quite helpful. Do you know of any labels that are cool, from experience you or your friends can vouch for?
Any advice on spotting the warning signs mate? Who do people rate as an honest bunch nowdays?

Everything in this post, and every other post I make is not legal advice, and there is no actual or implied relationship of any kind.

CeLL are you in the US or UK?

There is legal recourse open to you if the facts are as you state. It is there. Your choice to take or not take it. If you don't want to take it because you don't want to be an asshole, cool, but stop with these threads. But why else wouldn't you pursue your legal recourse? I can think of reasons.

If you don't want to pursue legal action because you just want to move on, okay, then stop with these threads.

Basically stop with these threads.

If you really wanted to just find a good label, you could say, hey I've been signed to major labels in this scene in the past, what would be a good ethical label right now? Simple as that. Fact is, you keep referencing the old label, and this old controversy.

You may find happiness and a sense of fulfillment if you decide to accept this negative experience as a learning experience, and move on. MOVE ON! Time is short man, do you really want to be the guy that is still talking about the one that got away? Get some more. If you made a good track in the past, you can make more good tracks now. DO IT. Find a good label, by actually searching, not super passively mudslinging.

What artists are you listening to now? What labels are they releasing on? Start there. This is a really small world.

A scenario for your consideration:
Imagine I've got a nice midsized label with good artists signed, good distribution, shit is selling, artists are touring, oh here is a track by CeLL, oh shit this is dope. Okay let's research this guy.... Oh okay, here he is on dsf... okay, talking shit about a record label. Oh a few times... you know maybe I don't want to get involved with this guy, seems like there could be problems if something doesn't go his way. Oh look over here, my inbox is stuffed with 1,000 signable tracks, maybe I'll listen to those...

Stay positive, move forward, dude.

cellmusic wrote:
How often do the Labels threaten the forum mate? What do they say?

Do you regularly get threats to prevent threads from mentioning their shadey dealings?

No idea, I don't deal with any of that, thank god.

When does a legit discussion about the integrity of the top label in our genre become too risky for Dubstepforum.com to allow to continue?

When there's little to no actual proof I guess.

Considering your own dealings with the label and people in question which you were telling me in private, I don't understand why are you are asking me not to discuss such an important concern for new producers?

Because my personal experiences spoken to someone privately versus opinions publicly aired on a forum funded by someone elses money and reputation should be kept separate.

I don't know what having two releases has to do with why I should shut up about them ripping me off? So I havent made tracks for a while? Does that mean I cant say what they did?

Not sure how you drew that conclusion from what I said, but as far as I'm concerned the number of releases you have had is irrelevant to to your ability to publicly slander something else.

Please can you suggest any smaller labels to send my tracks to? (Best case, it would eventually lead to being signed to a big label again) - either way I'd like to hear who producers can recommend?

Going to nights is always your best route to making contacts and so on. Labels such as Mindstep, Slime and Boka would be good places. Have a scan through http://www.dubstepforum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=47 see which releases resemble yours and hit up those artists and labels.

Dealing with the public and promoting myself isn't my forte.

Agreed.

And I've got no idea who people think is best to send their Dubstep tracks to these days...?

You gotta do the research:
1. Find labels with similar sound
2. Reach out to artists on the label or go to the nights with a couple of cds.
3. Find out about previous experiences on the label.
4. Should a label be interested, review your contract and payment options.

nowaysj wrote:Everything in this post, and every other post I make is not legal advice, and there is no actual or implied relationship of any kind.

CeLL are you in the US or UK?

There is legal recourse open to you if the facts are as you state. It is there. Your choice to take or not take it. If you don't want to take it because you don't want to be an asshole, cool, but stop with these threads. But why else wouldn't you pursue your legal recourse? I can think of reasons.

If you don't want to pursue legal action because you just want to move on, okay, then stop with these threads.

Basically stop with these threads.

If you really wanted to just find a good label, you could say, hey I've been signed to major labels in this scene in the past, what would be a good ethical label right now? Simple as that. Fact is, you keep referencing the old label, and this old controversy.

You may find happiness and a sense of fulfillment if you decide to accept this negative experience as a learning experience, and move on. MOVE ON! Time is short man, do you really want to be the guy that is still talking about the one that got away? Get some more. If you made a good track in the past, you can make more good tracks now. DO IT. Find a good label, by actually searching, not super passively mudslinging.

What artists are you listening to now? What labels are they releasing on? Start there. This is a really small world.

A scenario for your consideration:
Imagine I've got a nice midsized label with good artists signed, good distribution, shit is selling, artists are touring, oh here is a track by CeLL, oh shit this is dope. Okay let's research this guy.... Oh okay, here he is on dsf... okay, talking shit about a record label. Oh a few times... you know maybe I don't want to get involved with this guy, seems like there could be problems if something doesn't go his way. Oh look over here, my inbox is stuffed with 1,000 signable tracks, maybe I'll listen to those...

Stay positive, move forward, dude.

I totally agree and moving in is what im trying to do sir.

So far peeps keep refering to the past on this thread- And I keep asking about labels to send stuff to.

Listen Im not just gonna sit there and not defend myself when Im being called a liar on this thread. Ive stated the facts thats enough. Move on

I only mentioned how I and many others Ive spoken with have been treated by the top label on a thread.

And for that your saying im a whinging little bitch basically nah... If it happened to you mate you don't strike me as the timid shy type too afraid to post something about it, even if you get nothing but grief for it. I think peeps should know.

I made two posts in 5 years, they are locked. Im not going on about it. end of

I have a legit beef, but now im asking about how best to move on and who is a good label.