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Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 12:32 pm**

yeah but rights can be stripped away. you can introduce a one child policy to make people get used to the general idea of eugenics

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 12:36 pm**

Genevieve wrote:When slavery was abolished in the United States, people were afraid that the economy would collapse. They were wondering 'who would pick the cotton', then slavery WAS abolished and the industrial revolution brought about innovations that made us a lot more productive. People couldn't see past their current society and its technological restrictions, almost as if technology is a sentient, inherent being or an object that is there and limited to what people thought was capable. Ignorant to the fact that perhaps, 100 years later, technology would evolve with society and take on forms they couldn't imagine.

They didn't figure that even THEIR OWN technological advancements are responses to outside, cultural/societal stimuli that necessated to the development of alternative technology to accomodate the form that society took at that point. And that in the future, these technological developments would progress much in the same way.

We'll be fine. We'll survive the end of our planet. We will create entire planets, entire solar systems, our own stars to perpetually feed our planets with energy, or any other artificial type of biotope that I can't even imagine. We will change ourselves, we'll genetically modify ourselves to be able to exist in the harshest conditions and we will thrive.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Malthus. Just because previous 'doomsday' predictions never came to fruition because of technological advances doesn't mean our current problems will be solved by them. Its always people within those fields of technology that claim theres problems and always people outside that are willing to just sit back, with religious like faith, and wait for technology to save us. To look at all the issues in terms of the environment and say "fuck it, it'll sort itself out" is such a cop out imo.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 12:42 pm**

ultraspatial wrote:yeah but rights can be stripped away. you can introduce a one child policy to make people get used to the general idea of eugenics

Tru, but less eugenics more 1 child policy lol

Also thered have to be so much more emphasis on conserving water which is really the most imminent threat facing people

Farmers need to get their shit together and quit overloading fertilizer, and people need to stop eating so much meat

The greenhouse gas/CO2 energy crisis shit is still a problem, but it doesnt have to be looked at like its the most important environmental problem as it is seen now

I guess im green

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 12:46 pm**

^ have you seen Blue Gold? Its about the privatisation of water and the depletion of it.. was quite shocked tbh mainly because of what you said, its pretty common to attribute the most important environmental problems to greenhouse gases/fossil fuels ect.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 12:49 pm**

Never seen that but yea its so important to save water and people have absolutely no idea

Edit: actually is that the one where it shows the places in india where you have to drop coins in a well before using it, or that coke has clamed ownership over springs?

Another thing is i mostly like fracking as it cleaner than coal and for the most part low impact (if done correctly) but it uses up so so much water

So if that becomes a more and more popular method of getting fuel, then there would have to be very strict water regulations i think

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 12:56 pm**

rayman612 wrote:Never seen that but yea its so important to save water and people have absolutely no idea

Edit: actually is that the one where it shows the places in india where you have to drop coins in a well before using it, or that coke has clamed ownership over springs?

Another thing is i mostly like fracking as it cleaner than coal and for the most part low impact (if done correctly) but it uses up so so much water

So if that becomes a more and more popular method of getting fuel, then there would have to be very strict water regulations i think

Yeah a bit like that, focuses on Africa more than India though. Can get bottles of coke half the price of bottled water

3% of the worlds water is fresh water, they showed the amount thats privately owned by massive companies.. mainly the French ones. Its crazy. They talk about the riots in Bolivia as well because they were going to sell off their water to massive private corporations. "For the Bolivian and Uruguay citizens it took violent riots and protests to stop the privatization of their water. One man even stabbed himself in the heart at a protest! Lee Kyung Hae killed himself in Mexico outside of a World Trade Organization conference."

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 1:05 pm**

Shit is crazy

Even in america nestle buys the land around springs and fences it off and dries up creeks/streams which is completely illegal as most water in america (besides the southwest where they have land rights which js abso bullshit) is owned by the people, but since its nestle and no one can sue them, they just do it

Definitely will be much more magnified problem in the future, may even be a mexican-american conflict over water

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 1:37 pm**

Muncey wrote:I'm surprised you didn't mention Malthus. Just because previous 'doomsday' predictions never came to fruition because of technological advances doesn't mean our current problems will be solved by them. Its always people within those fields of technology that claim theres problems and always people outside that are willing to just sit back, with religious like faith, and wait for technology to save us.

You just admitted that it's people in those fields making doomsday predictions, but you've also admitted that because of technological advancements, they didn't come true yet, so what makes them credible voices? There's a contradiction there, the only true point is that 'just because it didn't happen before doesn't mean it won't happen ever' and this much is true. But that would require self-destructive tendencies that as a species truthfully just haven't shown yet. We've been hearing doomsday scenarios since the 1970s and increasingly so, even if economically and enviromentally, things have been improving. We shouldn't let potential problems fall on deaf ears, but we shouldn't always just assume the worst either.

Muncey wrote:To look at all the issues in terms of the environment and say "fuck it, it'll sort itself out" is such a cop out imo.

I didn't say things will sort themselves out, I'm saying that people don't know how they'll get sorted out shouldn't assume they won't. And logically speaking, people are big on self-perseverance. When something bad will happen, people will try to fix it. We put so much focus on the times when humanity fucks up without paying any attention to the times when we're doing a pretty sweet job at improving things.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 2:06 pm**

Ah fair enough, I thought you was writing off that there was any problem or simply sitting back and hoping technological advances will fix them. The world today is a lot different to that of the 18th/19th Century when a lot of different doomsday predictions happened so to use the assumption 'technology will sort it' is invalid and a poor educated guess at best for me. I agree the assuming the worst is bad and I agree we shouldn't let potential problems fall on deaf ears.. but I see the assumption of "technology will fix it" as being as good as falling on deaf ears.

But yeah I misunderstood what you meant, I agree with a lot of that.. apart from economically we've been improving since the 70s which we most certainly have not.

Posted: **Mon May 12, 2014 10:45 pm**

Arguably the first "anti-black" argument I've recognized as such after reading the OP.

https://www.globalonenessproject.org/li ... -race-over

Posted: **Tue May 13, 2014 1:06 pm**

I'm green though….

not anti-black but - green before black
- black is a luxury.

Trashing the planet because we plan to ride on - is just flat out fucked up.

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