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Yeah... but that is still remnants of the 'ideas' that mccartyism brought with it in the us.. like today it is a way to discredit it but that is because socialism in relation to communism was 'spun' that way or misconstrued during that time in us media/politics
(and today still has to insist on and explain itself properly over at yours .

dickman69 wrote:Would bring on the golden age of boxing

ehbes wrote:

dickman69 wrote:Would bring on the golden age of baseball

is that about cespedes or the new guy?

They released the shirt when Castillo signed, but I think its for both

wub wrote:Trade ban, yes should be lifted.

Travel ban, no.

Why would you think that? My Dad is in Cuba right now as a matter of fact.

ehbes wrote:They released the shirt when Castillo signed, but I think its for both

ah yea castillo forgot his name

He left via Canun, Mexico.



https://www.google.com/maps/place/Canc% ... 3c625fcd8a

iirc the issue isn't getting into cuba, but when you try to return and they see a cuba stamp on your passport, you have some splaining to do

Is it prosecutable?

I remember one time my dad, my brother and myself were biking across Europe and we accidentally entered Germany illegally via Austria. We were just following this path along a river. I believe we may have ignored those big Verboten signs. Anyways, when we were leaving, the German customs official saw that we did not have a stamp in order to be let into the country and raised his eyebrows in a puzzled look. He stamped us through. This was in the days before the EU, but not too long before.

Edit: The EU was in place but this was before the Euro was adopted and you had to go through customs in every country.

test_recordings wrote:Is it prosecutable?

traveling to cuba isn't technical illegal. i think the main thing is buying things in cuba and bringing them back, aka trading, which is prosecutable obviously, but i don't think they're really gonna go after you for smuggling some cigars for rich people to buy unless they wanted to go after you for other reasons or you were really doing something bad.

mks wrote:Edit: The EU was in place but this was before the Euro was adopted and you had to go through customs in every country.

I think you mean the Schengen zone

Srsly tho if obama were the one to do it it would prob be the last straw for some mordern day mccarthyism war vet w a sniper rifle


So we might just want to wait for the new guy

nobody wrote:http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/2 ... R520141028

Blimey, didn't realise the UN monitored SNH.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live ... reed-obama

US and Cuba seeking to "normalise" relations.

I think once the Castro bros are dead we will see America make a real push to open Cuba. America wants nothing more than to see cuban socialism destroyed and once Fidel and Raul are dead, there will be window where they can move in and try to change somethings.

shit, i came here to post just this^

wonder how much this has to do with preventing russia to re-align and move military equipment right off US waters as a comeback for US/NATO providing military support and equipment to the Kiev junta

also this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... BQ20141217

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/wo ... tions.html

WASHINGTON — The United States will restore full diplomatic relations with Cuba and open an embassy in Havana for the first time in more than a half-century after the release of an American contractor held in prison for five years, American officials said Wednesday.

In a deal negotiated during 18 months of secret talks hosted largely by Canada and encouraged by Pope Francis, who hosted a final meeting at the Vatican, President Obama and President Raúl Castro of Cuba agreed in a telephone call to put aside decades of hostility to find a new relationship between the United States and the island nation just 90 miles off the American coast.

Cue rightwinger meltdown in 3, 2, 1...

But srsly; right on. Now we can invade them with spring breaking teenagers and Americanos feos with impunity.

you think russia would do that? after all the memories of the cuban missle crisis, that would pretty much be declaring war to many people in america.

why does russia hate the US so much? is it just like a nationalistic/pride thing at this point? it just seems that no matter who's in charge, what kind of government they have, russia just fuckin hates the US. during the cold war at least there was a rational reason - (supposedly) they hated capitalism, wanted to spread communism, etc, but now it just seems like they're butthurt cause russia sucks now but they have a large military and are looking for a reason to swing their dick around.

like why would they want to move military forces to cuba? america's not trying to take cuba like russia is with ukraine and has with crimea.

i'm legitimately asking though, i'm not too informed on russia in general. maybe there is a legit reason?