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Ashley wrote:Im just fearing that the media will attract the wrong crowds, due to the fact Burial's music is not really rave music, but listening music.

This isn't true imo and i've dropped Burial tunes on dub out. His rhythms are amazing to dance to. FWD>> this friday should be heavy.

But I agree with the general point of your post, except for the fact that the second Burial LP will some kind of trigger. To be honest most of the things you worry about have already happened, and started happening the night of Dubstep Wars.

masstronaut wrote:

ozols man wrote:once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

Ha, it's true. EVERYBODY - STOP MAKING DUBSTEP NOW!

I dont find that right at all. If that was the case the scene would turn into how garage has and all the tunes will be on repeat but in a different order and not many new tunes peeping through

ozols man wrote:dubstep is gonna go the way drum n bass and countless other 'innovative' genres have - its the science of life. trying to deny this is like trying to deny humans are born and die, water makes u wet and that fire burns u. one way to maybe prolongue its creativity is to introduce other influences as oppose to just trying to make dubstep... once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

yep.

Seed, wheat, bread, sandwich...er, shit

not quite sure what relevance that last sentence has, but fuck it

anyway, y r people so worried about what happens to dubstep? there's always interesting music. always one thing continuing on from the last (hiphop>jungle>garage>dubstep>?>?...). so y worry? listen 2 whats good when its good. listen 2 something else when that genre becomes stale. and as far as prodcuing goes: make music, not genres.

Ashley wrote:

masstronaut wrote:

ozols man wrote:once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

Ha, it's true. EVERYBODY - STOP MAKING DUBSTEP NOW!

I dont find that right at all. If that was the case the scene would turn into how garage has and all the tunes will be on repeat but in a different order and not many new tunes peeping through

nah ur missing my point.im saying if ppl have this set formula in their head on how to make a tune, ie kick then snare on the second. thats how the scene will stagnate. the only way it can keep on churning out fresh tunes is if the producers r creative enuff to react against themselves - if that makes sense? i mean why not just throw a fuckin samba riddim in their for the hell of it or just come up with a completely new ridddim? wot im saying is the bass and tempo can remain consistant but if ppl already have an idea how to arrange the music, structures, beats, bars then thats where this inevitable stagnancy will come.

Blackdown wrote:

Ashley wrote:Im just fearing that the media will attract the wrong crowds, due to the fact Burial's music is not really rave music, but listening music.

This isn't true imo and i've dropped Burial tunes on dub out. His rhythms are amazing to dance to. FWD>> this friday should be heavy.

This seems to be a bit of a dubstep myth that gains ground cause it's repeated so often - Versus, Unite, South London Boroughs and plenty of other tracks are great dancefloor tunes

Was at a (non-dubstep) night where I played a few Burial tunes which all went down well and a while later someone played Jah War and there were a lot of "what the fuck is this shit?" faces doing the rounds. Mind you they were mostly old hardcore veterans so that might explain it

ozols man wrote:

Ashley wrote:

masstronaut wrote:

ozols man wrote:once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

Ha, it's true. EVERYBODY - STOP MAKING DUBSTEP NOW!

I dont find that right at all. If that was the case the scene would turn into how garage has and all the tunes will be on repeat but in a different order and not many new tunes peeping through

nah ur missing my point.im saying if ppl have this set formula in their head on how to make a tune, ie kick then snare on the second. thats how the scene will stagnate. the only way it can keep on churning out fresh tunes is if the producers r creative enuff to react against themselves - if that makes sense? i mean why not just throw a fuckin samba riddim in their for the hell of it or just come up with a completely new ridddim? wot im saying is the bass and tempo can remain consistant but if ppl already have an idea how to arrange the music, structures, beats, bars then thats where this inevitable stagnancy will come.

shut up

HALF STEP + WOBBLE ONLY

mephisto6 wrote:

Baron_von_Carlton wrote:Im not too worried.Burial is still a Niche product.Alot of people simply won't get it, finding it boring like they did the first one.I think the whole Bassline/Niche scene is taking an awfull lot of heat from dubstep right now.It's far more accessible than Dubstep and the youth are definately vibing off it. Dubstep just ain't cheesey enough to hit the mass market.

depends what you mean by cheese and mass market, people like rusko definitely going to appeal to hate the word but 'clownsteppers' more, cos its a jump up style, in my opinion its cheesy as well and will therefore reach not necessarily a mass market but a much wider one

proved by the fact that been playing my mates cyrus, loefah and mala etc for over a year now not interested they hear 2 in a q bingo! all my mates who listen to jump up dnb love that style

with burial though to me the fact that it is sit down and listen to music means that i couldnt care if journalists start claiming him as the next big thing cos the music itself is a lot more personal

Yeah i should have mentioned the few exceptions.There are definately a selection of producers making stuff that could easily appeal to the 'clownstep' crew.But even then they still find it all abit slow and would probably still prefer to rave to the D&B version or Niche/Bassline.

forensix (mcr) wrote:

ozols man wrote:

Ashley wrote:

masstronaut wrote:

ozols man wrote:once u try and make dubstep like its been mentioned bare times on here before, thats when things start fucking up.

Ha, it's true. EVERYBODY - STOP MAKING DUBSTEP NOW!

I dont find that right at all. If that was the case the scene would turn into how garage has and all the tunes will be on repeat but in a different order and not many new tunes peeping through

nah ur missing my point.im saying if ppl have this set formula in their head on how to make a tune, ie kick then snare on the second. thats how the scene will stagnate. the only way it can keep on churning out fresh tunes is if the producers r creative enuff to react against themselves - if that makes sense? i mean why not just throw a fuckin samba riddim in their for the hell of it or just come up with a completely new ridddim? wot im saying is the bass and tempo can remain consistant but if ppl already have an idea how to arrange the music, structures, beats, bars then thats where this inevitable stagnancy will come.

shut up

HALF STEP + WOBBLE ONLY

i suggest young man that u just log off, and look at more defecation videos.

ozols man wrote:
i suggest young man that u just log off, and look at more defecation videos.

joking mate. But seriously you don't need to tell producers what to make, sure there will be the copy cat producers but you'll find occasionally that there are a few diamonds in the rough who will make something different.

forensix (mcr) wrote:

ozols man wrote:
i suggest young man that u just log off, and look at more defecation videos.

joking mate. But seriously you don't need to tell producers what to make, sure there will be the copy cat producers but you'll find occasionally that there are a few diamonds in the rough who will make something different.

you were joking mate? cor i woulda never guessed point taken still

I found this on DOA which I think is a bit pertinent to this discussion

From the Making Dubstep thread:

"my tips are: 140bpm, write drumz at half speed, lots of reverb and delays, a nice phat sub and some wobble."

"145 BPM, write drums at half speed. 808 kicks, 909 claps and snares.

To get that classy sounding snare: Add some reverb, then distort the fuck of it, crush it, redux, whatever.

Wobbles, its all about LFO. A couple of detuned squares, low passed saws, play with the rate/speed parameter. Apply heavy reso, to give it more punch.

Subs, 808 kicks can give you great results, other wise 2 sines, distort them, eq. voila.

What else, loads of reggae samples, with f'kin lots of delay effects."

And my particular favourite

"my tips:

get stoned as possible

listen to the shittiest 2 step you can find

listen to some Dub Roots

write a halftime beat

sober up and delete it"

There were some more open-ended and thoughtful answers, but it seems quite obvious that this IS dubstep to some people (which also coincides with the end of dubstep that I have no interest in whatsoever).

Shonky wrote:I found this on DOA which I think is a bit pertinent to this discussion

From the Making Dubstep thread:

"my tips are: 140bpm, write drumz at half speed, lots of reverb and delays, a nice phat sub and some wobble."

"145 BPM, write drums at half speed. 808 kicks, 909 claps and snares.

To get that classy sounding snare: Add some reverb, then distort the fuck of it, crush it, redux, whatever.

Wobbles, its all about LFO. A couple of detuned squares, low passed saws, play with the rate/speed parameter. Apply heavy reso, to give it more punch.

Subs, 808 kicks can give you great results, other wise 2 sines, distort them, eq. voila.

What else, loads of reggae samples, with f'kin lots of delay effects."

And my particular favourite

"my tips:

get stoned as possible

listen to the shittiest 2 step you can find

listen to some Dub Roots

write a halftime beat

sober up and delete it"

There were some more open-ended and thoughtful answers, but it seems quite obvious that this IS dubstep to some people (which also coincides with the end of dubstep that I have no interest in whatsoever).

Stuff like that can be said for all genre's

With rock, just add mindless guitar bashing sounds etc

I'm sure the UK media hype over dubstep peaked a good while ago now:
Skream on the cover of DJ mag. DMZ the 'One's to Watch' in the Guardian. Burial's first LP The Observer Magazine's album of the year 2006, The Klaxons getting loads of peeps on here upset when they bigged up DMZ in an interview. And what was the result of all that? FWD over-run by the Guardian waving middle classes? DMZ heaving with Emo's and Nu Ravers?

No.

About ten 17 year olds in skinny jeans and flouro leggings turned up to
DMZ 2nd birthday, stood on the stairs all night and never came back.

What DID happen:

Dubstep grew massively and internationally. More quality new nights than you can shake a stick at. Platform 1, Dubstep Changed My Life, DOTS, Weight Watchers (and that's just London). Not one of them full of beard-strokers or bandwagon jumpers (the curse of the Speed nights back in the glory days of D&B) - just big DJs / producers either playing or just turning up to support. Not forgetting some blinding one off's - Dubstep After Hours, House Party and DubRaizer.

DMZ and FWD went from strength to strength. And the massive DMZ 2nd birthday - such a hype night that anything that followed for a few weeks afterwards unfortunately paled in comparison.

Musically: Next level albums from Pinch, Skull Disco, Cyrus and Burial. Some big new names: 2562, TRG, Jakes, Martyn, Peverelist etc. Too many up & coming to mention and quality new labels coming thick and fast: Hessle Audio, Punch Drunk etc etc. Stagnant?! I don't think so. Of course mediocrity's a side effect of the increasing popularity and over saturation of material but the cream always rises to the top.

As long as forward thinking nights like the ones above continue to represent the full spectrum of dubstep (which they do), DJ's do the same (which they do) and producers keep pushing the sound into new spaces (which they are), then we won't all be moshing, pilled-up to clownstep at Fabric every friday or stroking neatly trimmed goatee's at live, orchestral dubstep gigs any time soon.

I'm as sentimental as anyone about the early days but things have progressed and grown now. Everyone's accutely aware of mistakes made by, and the delusions of grandeur of D&B. The people driving the dubstep scene fwd have got their heads screwed on right so have a bit of faith. The fact it's being discussed now can only be a good thing. So long as Mala's not got a 45 minute Jazz Dubstep Opera planned for a major label release... I think it'll be ok for a bit yet.

When David Bowie turns up at DMZ, then it's time to start worrying.

spender wrote:I'm sure the UK media hype over dubstep peaked a good while ago now:
Skream on the cover of DJ mag. DMZ the 'One's to Watch' in the Guardian. Burial's first LP The Observer Magazine's album of the year 2006, The Klaxons getting loads of peeps on here upset when they bigged up DMZ in an interview. And what was the result of all that? FWD over-run by the Guardian waving middle classes? DMZ heaving with Emo's and Nu Ravers?

No.

About ten 17 year olds in skinny jeans and flouro leggings turned up to
DMZ 2nd birthday, stood on the stairs all night and never came back.

What DID happen:

Dubstep grew massively and internationally. More quality new nights than you can shake a stick at. Platform 1, Dubstep Changed My Life, DOTS, Weight Watchers (and that's just London). Not one of them full of beard-strokers or bandwagon jumpers (the curse of the Speed nights back in the glory days of D&B) - just big DJs / producers either playing or just turning up to support. Not forgetting some blinding one off's - Dubstep After Hours, House Party and DubRaizer.

DMZ and FWD went from strength to strength. And the massive DMZ 2nd birthday - such a hype night that anything that followed for a few weeks afterwards unfortunately paled in comparison.

Musically: Next level albums from Pinch, Skull Disco, Cyrus and Burial. Some big new names: 2562, TRG, Jakes, Martyn, Peverelist etc. Too many up & coming to mention and quality new labels coming thick and fast: Hessle Audio, Punch Drunk etc etc. Stagnant?! I don't think so. Of course mediocrity's a side effect of the increasing popularity and over saturation of material but the cream always rises to the top.

As long as forward thinking nights like the ones above continue to represent the full spectrum of dubstep (which they do), DJ's do the same (which they do) and producers keep pushing the sound into new spaces (which they are), then we won't all be moshing, pilled-up to clownstep at Fabric every friday or stroking neatly trimmed goatee's at live, orchestral dubstep gigs any time soon.

I'm as sentimental as anyone about the early days but things have progressed and grown now. Everyone's accutely aware of mistakes made by, and the delusions of grandeur of D&B. The people driving the dubstep scene fwd have got their heads screwed on right so have a bit of faith. The fact it's being discussed now can only be a good thing. So long as Mala's not got a 45 minute Jazz Dubstep Opera planned for a major label release... I think it'll be ok for a bit yet.

When David Bowie turns up at DMZ, then it's time to start worrying.

Huge post, wise words.

fuck it man, bowie would be welcome. Madonna, however, can get knotted.

Batfink wrote:fuck it man, bowie would be welcome. Madonna, however, can get knotted.

She can mate, she's quite supple for a fifty year old

spender wrote:I'm sure the UK media hype over dubstep peaked a good while ago now:
Skream on the cover of DJ mag. DMZ the 'One's to Watch' in the Guardian. Burial's first LP The Observer Magazine's album of the year 2006, The Klaxons getting loads of peeps on here upset when they bigged up DMZ in an interview. And what was the result of all that? FWD over-run by the Guardian waving middle classes? DMZ heaving with Emo's and Nu Ravers?

No.

About ten 17 year olds in skinny jeans and flouro leggings turned up to
DMZ 2nd birthday, stood on the stairs all night and never came back.

What DID happen:

Dubstep grew massively and internationally. More quality new nights than you can shake a stick at. Platform 1, Dubstep Changed My Life, DOTS, Weight Watchers (and that's just London). Not one of them full of beard-strokers or bandwagon jumpers (the curse of the Speed nights back in the glory days of D&B) - just big DJs / producers either playing or just turning up to support. Not forgetting some blinding one off's - Dubstep After Hours, House Party and DubRaizer.

DMZ and FWD went from strength to strength. And the massive DMZ 2nd birthday - such a hype night that anything that followed for a few weeks afterwards unfortunately paled in comparison.

Musically: Next level albums from Pinch, Skull Disco, Cyrus and Burial. Some big new names: 2562, TRG, Jakes, Martyn, Peverelist etc. Too many up & coming to mention and quality new labels coming thick and fast: Hessle Audio, Punch Drunk etc etc. Stagnant?! I don't think so. Of course mediocrity's a side effect of the increasing popularity and over saturation of material but the cream always rises to the top.

As long as forward thinking nights like the ones above continue to represent the full spectrum of dubstep (which they do), DJ's do the same (which they do) and producers keep pushing the sound into new spaces (which they are), then we won't all be moshing, pilled-up to clownstep at Fabric every friday or stroking neatly trimmed goatee's at live, orchestral dubstep gigs any time soon.

I'm as sentimental as anyone about the early days but things have progressed and grown now. Everyone's accutely aware of mistakes made by, and the delusions of grandeur of D&B. The people driving the dubstep scene fwd have got their heads screwed on right so have a bit of faith. The fact it's being discussed now can only be a good thing. So long as Mala's not got a 45 minute Jazz Dubstep Opera planned for a major label release... I think it'll be ok for a bit yet.

When David Bowie turns up at DMZ, then it's time to start worrying.

Totally understood but my post was regarding current events within Dubstep. But still, I totally agree with your post now and I think I was just getting worried lol.

But yeh, the forum always needs a good topic like this, not one where everyone comments on the same thing over and over and then ends up in the all-you-can-eat spam restaurant of the secret ninja hideout

Ashley wrote: But yeh, the forum always needs a good topic like this, not one where everyone comments on the same thing over and over and then ends up in the all-you-can-eat spam restaurant of the secret ninja hideout

Bit harsh. Fair but a bit harsh

oi theres plenty of thought provoking discussion going on in the hiedout thank you very much. surely you've seen the ham touching thread?

badger wrote:oi theres plenty of thought provoking discussion going on in the hiedout thank you very much. surely you've seen the ham touching thread?

Granted, but your ham has gone all moudly and..is just wrong

Corrupt a wish > ham touching