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i have two issues

1 - he is effectively taking copies of already rare tunes out of circulation by overpricing them to the point that no one will buy them

2 - sellers like this have a negative effect on the market by driving up the average price

not disputing free market economy

obviously anyone is entitled to sell anything at whatever price they like

and people arent obligated to buy from him

but if a particular seller is restricting a limited supply as well as driving up prices then that is a bad thing

imo

@Be1one
aight, it's not even like i entirely disagree with the inital point you were trying to make (the part about people not moaning when they have to pay through their noses for designer clothes had some value to it for example)

just pointed out parts of your argument i disagreed with

that last post of yours just makes me feel like you're the one literally bent out of shape because you somehow want to be a contrarian on this issue just for the sake of it tho

(and no, i really wasn't on about midnight specifically, as i said in another thread, it's getting ridiculous having to spend the whole day refreshing a webpage whenever any anticipated release comes out, it wasn't always like that)

be 1ne is a record label owner and saying that what tanmushimushi does is completely acceptable?

faultier wrote:that last post of yours makes me feel like you're the one literally bent out of shape...

fiveone wrote:be 1ne is a record label owner and saying that what tanmushimushi does is completely acceptable?

Yeah and ?

lol it doesnt bother me tbh, most of the records he is selling aren't majorly rare and can be picked up from someone else and I don't think it raises the prices anyway as people know about his stupidly high prices anyway.

I don't really get the hate too much really, not like he killed anyone.

Riddles wrote:lol it doesnt bother me tbh, most of the records he is selling aren't majorly rare and can be picked up from someone else and I don't think it raises the prices anyway as people know about his stupidly high prices anyway.

I don't really get the hate too much really, not like he killed anyone.

amen!

Be-1ne wrote:

Muncey wrote: How anybody in music can support someone stock piling vinyls at the attempt for huge personal monetary gain at the expense of the fans getting music they love is beyond me.

You mean the vinyl collectors market? It's been about for years and will continue to flourish like it has done since day dot. The really twats in this story are the sheep who have followed his lead and started buying up multiple copies of tunes. 300 copies of a tune isn't limited. It's a label basically making sure they can keep going if they manage to sell them. There are probably plenty of labels sat on plenty of stock they can't shift. Just because a shop says out of stock doesn't mean it's not available, it just means they 9/10 no longer wish to stock it.

That is true but they do it because they think they can make a quick profit because they see guys selling these records for stupid money... or attempting to. I don't see how you can think those people are twats without thinking mushi is a bit of a twat as well?

His prices are basically parody but they influence people to stock pile records and deprive fans of the music they like AND they influence other sellers prices, making it either difficult or expensive to get tunes which aren't that limited. Fair enough if the inflated value is there due to high demand (for the music, not for the investment) but actively limiting the supply of something in order to sell it for huge profits isn't something to support and say 'fair play' to imo.

I agree its hardly something to get all upset about and moan about all the time but its still some shit antics hardly worthy of support and praise. I just can't get my head around supporting it if you're in the music industry... how can you motivate yourself as a producer and label owner to invest time, energy and money into something that will end up on a shelf in the hope for an easy profit? I wasn't having a dig when I said your label was defunct and I know you done it yourself.. but I find it hard to understand how you'd be inspired enough to put time and money into releasing stuff that you're happy to end up as a monetary investment.

I find it hard to understand how you'd be inspired enough to put time and money into releasing stuff that you're happy to end up as a monetary investment.

There is no point, once the music has reached the medium and gone out of your hands you lose control and either accept it or stop putting music out.

The point is Tanmushi has been doing this for a long time, you can tell he has a distributor account by how many copies of a single he sells, he used to have a shop in Notts. Him running his business, regardless of how much he marks up his records, is ultimately not the issue and a load of noobs who just got into buying records starting a hate campaign is.

How can someone celebrate shutting a mans business down when he clearly is init for the music, and profit albeit rather hefty. This isn't some guy in his moms spare room The actual problem is when you've got bare spengs actually cutting the flow of tunes to fans by buying music they don't care for for a quick $£€?.

But also the labels are to blame with all this exclusive bollocks. Take the last Skeptical 10" on Exit, how many different shops can 1 tune be exclusive to? First it was exclusive to System shop, then came out on exit before and now its available in some next shop if your able to get your arse down London. Hardly an exclusive is it. Then was on discogs for double the price and they hadn't even shipped. without a Tanmushi in sight.! and the Loefah midnight thing was just shambolic at best.

End of the day it's a buyers market and people are just pissed he has bare tunes they want but wont pay the price for. The music industry is not a very big place and their are much bigger pricks to hate on than some guy selling tunes on discogs.

I fully agree with all that, I still don't get how you can put the blame on so many others but at the same time SUPPORT what mushi was/is doing? Unless you were that annoyed by the whiney stnuc and hate campaign you decided to play devils advocate with the 'yeah big up tanmushimushi'?

Be-1ne wrote:The actual problem is when you've got bare spengs actually cutting the flow of tunes to fans by buying music they don't care for for a quick $£€?.

How can you not see that these goons are a product of tanmushimushi (and many others) actions? You said it before, they're sheep.. which means they follow the actions of others. How can you identify that they're the actual problem because they copy the actions of someone else... but fully support that someone elses actions? Surely not just because he has a proper business? Those bedroom sheep might also wanna be in that business and run it in a similar way, how can one be 'the actual problem' and another deserve bigging up? Just sounds completely contradictory to me.

Be-1ne wrote:The music industry is not a very big place and their are much bigger pricks to hate on than some guy selling tunes on discogs.

So we can only complain about the biggest pricks? Just cause hes not the worst.. or even a problem, doesn't mean people aren't entitled to criticise the way they operate. Hes entitled to run his business how he likes but equally people are entitled to call him out for being a prick; if they think he is being a prick. Four Tet is also well within his rights to refuse him any Text releases.

As soronery said, he effectively takes records out of circulation with his ridiculous prices that nobody will pay. I dunno how operating in that manner can be considered "in it for the music".

RIP Tanmushimushi

we create our own suffering through our attachments

be-1ne is tanmushimushi confirmed

As soronery said, he effectively takes records out of circulation with his ridiculous prices that nobody will pay. I dunno how operating in that manner can be considered "in it for the music".

Whats the difference between some guy trying to sell a tune at a silly price over some guy with the same tune sat on a shelf gathering dust?

Have you never thought perhaps his prices are so ridiculous because he doesn't actually want to sell the tunes and he's having a massive laugh at everyone's expense.

kaili wrote:be-1ne is tanmushimushi confirmed

shhhhhhh

http://mushimushi-records.myshopify.com ... lionchg009

10 copies of lioncharge009

first 6 will cost you £55
then £75
then £100
then £125
and finally £150

bargain

Be-1ne wrote:

Have you never thought perhaps his prices are so ridiculous because he doesn't actually want to sell the tunes and he's having a massive laugh at everyone's expense.

I think you know that's not what's going on here.

Are you for ticket touting as well?

tbh the only thing that annoys me about the big resellers is they constantly reupload their stock so it keeps emailing me about new wantlist additions every day.

soronery wrote:http://mushimushi-records.myshopify.com ... lionchg009

10 copies of lioncharge009

first 6 will cost you £55
then £75
then £100
then £125
and finally £150

bargain

I wouldn't worry about it it ain't that good anyway.

MaceFace wrote:

Be-1ne wrote:

Have you never thought perhaps his prices are so ridiculous because he doesn't actually want to sell the tunes and he's having a massive laugh at everyone's expense.

I think you know that's not what's going on here.

Are you for ticket touting as well?

Why not, in for a penny in for a pound. I remember a very nice ticket tout giving me a free ticket to see Dj Shadow at a sold out show many moons ago.

Funnily enough I receive a free sough-after record through the post every now and then with a little note saying "with love, mushimushi", so it's not all bad.