Why does a supposedly "Marxist-Leninist" party talk about profits and worker's ownership? Socialism isn't about moving profits around so that more people receive benefits. Worker's ownership would entail property ownership. If they were Marxists, then they should be fighting for the working class dictatorship and the disenfranchisement of capitalists/reactionaries/liberals. From there, the DOTP should be exporting revolution until the capitalists have lost control of the world and abolishing private property. Abolishing private property is the most essential step.
Sadly, revolution usually happens in times of decline, so revolution in America will probably happen during an economic depression. Plus, winning over support of the military will be difficult unless we build an army of millions. That is why organizing and arming the workers with guns should be the current priority.
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:49 am
by orangeluva56
ron paul 2016
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:51 am
by ehbes
orangeluva56 wrote:ron paul 2016
well Rand is the one running this time but I really hope you don't mean that
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:14 am
by Lye_Form
u should vote in farage imo
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:31 am
by DrGatineau
dunno about u guys but i'm ready for hillary!
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:37 am
by ehbes
Stop. You're not funny.
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:46 am
by faultier
relevant:
And so, from the dormant volcano that is American politics, out flies Hillary, like Rodan the Flying Reptile pretending to be Granny Goose. Now that she is officially flapping around the electorate, the excitable mainstream press reports the initial caw-caw-cawing of her campaign: it will be “based on diversity, discipline and humbleness.” These are endearing qualities in any giant flying reptile, and reassuring to voters who might otherwise fear something a bit darker on the wing.(...)
More to the point, what does the flight of Hillary say about party politics in this land? That a more corrupt and sclerotic dominion has hardly been glimpsed since the last Bourbons cavorted in the halls of Versailles? Hence, my view that America will witness a very peculiar spectacle leading up to and perhaps beyond the 2016 election: the disintegration of seeming normality against a background of mounting disorder and insurrection. Hillary will go on caw-cawing platitudes about togetherness, diversity, and recovery while the economy sinks to new extremes of unravelment, and the anger of a swindled people finally boils over.
If a third party were to arise in all this turmoil, it might not be savior brigade, either. In 1856 the Republicans welled up as the Whigs expired in sheer purposelessness and the Democrats romanced slavery. The nation had to endure the greatest convulsion in its lifetime to get to the other side of that. This time, I’m not at all sure we’ll get to the other side in one piece.
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:05 am
by DrGatineau
ehbes wrote:Stop. You're not funny.
what's wrong with hillary?
she's a strong leader and will fight for good progressive causes
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:08 am
by sigbowls
Rainbow dash or miku for president
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:58 am
by mason666
ehbes wrote:Stop. You're not funny.
He's been funnier than u recently
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:41 am
by soronery
Lye_Form wrote:u should vote in farage imo
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:25 am
by MasterA
Boris "Bantz" Johnson imo.
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:33 am
by AxeD
I honestly still think it is hard to do better than Obama. Obviously no man or woman
is able to impose the radical 'change' that is promised to the people during campaigns.
There has to be countless governmental organs that are hardly influenced by whoever
is at the top init?
When was the last time people were generally positive about a president in his last year?
Has to be because of their work too, not for surviving assassinations.
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:35 am
by hubb
Phigure wrote:i mean in relative terms shes good (the bar is low), but (among other things) she defended the israeli bombing of palestinian schools and hospitals https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014 ... netanyahu/
i dont see how you can call yourself a "progressive" who is an advocate for the oppressed, etc, meanwhile you support genocide on another continent. imo it's kind of representative of her as a whole, she is bourgeois as fuck
completely agree but then again America itself is systematically pro Israel
or israel is an american construct now in more than a few ways with how it's backed
like every democrat would let them die or have allowed their death of their nation for time - - -
I hope I'm not saying you can be progressive and still let them die, but I probably am and it just makes you even more correct!
Re: All hail, the next president of the United States
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:39 am
by hubb
[quote="OGLemon"]so I was looking for a party to write in if I decide to vote in 2016, and this seemed to the most left wing.
Why does a supposedly "Marxist-Leninist" party talk about profits and worker's ownership? Socialism isn't about moving profits around so that more people receive benefits. Worker's ownership would entail property ownership. If they were Marxists, then they should be fighting for the working class dictatorship and the disenfranchisement of capitalists/reactionaries/liberals. From there, the DOTP should be exporting revolution until the capitalists have lost control of the world and abolishing private property. Abolishing private property is the most essential step.
No, the definition is exactly that, worker ownership. Control over the means not doing what they did in the same way. Wtf Lemon
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