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jim wrote:If you don't think hip-hop, r'n'b, dancehall and garage have a different audience to what's played on Radio 1 and that there's no racial element to this difference I would like to know what colour the sky is in your world.

Well these two basically make up most of what we call pop music today, so naa im not buying it tbh. Just seems like a totally pointless thing to say and makes me think even less of a shitty radio station.

There are some shows there that i do take your point on, specifically bangra and dancehall etc, but you dont see classical FM going round saying "the best in traditional white music", imagine the uproar.

don't even get me started on ras kwame.

dTruk wrote:i had a similar converstaion with someone a while back when it was the mobos...

im white but made the point that it was fair seeing as its music with black ORIGIN

thats not to say white people can't enjoy it obviously. music is colour blind.

I think thats different, "music of black origin" dosent bother me, "promoting new black music" does. But that just me

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:

jim wrote:If you don't think hip-hop, r'n'b, dancehall and garage have a different audience to what's played on Radio 1 and that there's no racial element to this difference I would like to know what colour the sky is in your world.

Well these two basically make up most of what we call pop music today, so naa im not buying it tbh. Just seems like a totally pointless thing to say and makes me think even less of a shitty radio station.

ahhh please, please dont make the mistake of mistaking 'rap' for 'hip hop'

especially comercial rap...it denotes the whole hip hop scene. fuckers like 50 give it a bad image when people thing thats what hip hop is...

stop forgetting the 4 elements people!

unklefesta wrote:

why the long face festa?

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:

dTruk wrote:i had a similar converstaion with someone a while back when it was the mobos...

im white but made the point that it was fair seeing as its music with black ORIGIN

thats not to say white people can't enjoy it obviously. music is colour blind.

I think thats different, "music of black origin" dosent bother me, "promoting new black music" does. But that just me

true that...i do agree that the little slogan is abit waste but:

surely whatever they say isnt gonna stop you from liking what you like?

jim wrote:If you don't think hip-hop, r'n'b, dancehall and garage have a different audience to what's played on Radio 1 and that there's no racial element to this difference I would like to know what colour the sky is in your world.

if you think the only people listening to 1xtra are black then i'd like to know what colour the sky is in yours

whether they're referring to the racial origins of their audience or the producers whose stuff they're playing, it's a misnomer.

The fundemental roots of most of the genres you stated (RnB, hip hop, dubstep, whatever) come from the rhythmic base of "black" music but in their current incarnations have so many varied reference points and influences that this description serves only as a loose description of the sound or culture of origin. Likewise the audience for said genres have become so diverse that the term "black" music can no longer describe them either. I think its best to realise that this terminology has just become a byword rather than a literal doctrine on the conventions of either the musicians the music or the audience. Its just a word!

lloydnoise wrote:The fundemental roots of most of the genres you stated (RnB, hip hop, dubstep, whatever) come from the rhythmic base of "black" music but in their current incarnations have so many varied reference points and influences that this description serves only as a loose description of the sound or culture of origin. Likewise the audience for said genres have become so diverse that the term "black" music can no longer describe them either. I think its best to realise that this terminology has just become a byword rather than a literal doctrine on the conventions of either the musicians the music or the audience. Its just a word!

word

white, black whatever...


all music is greeeeen music...

pk- wrote:

jim wrote:If you don't think hip-hop, r'n'b, dancehall and garage have a different audience to what's played on Radio 1 and that there's no racial element to this difference I would like to know what colour the sky is in your world.

if you think the only people listening to 1xtra are black then i'd like to know what colour the sky is in yours

whether they're referring to the racial origins of their audience or the producers whose stuff they're playing, it's a misnomer.

Well despite the fact you're doing the classic internet misread what the other person said in order to try and win a point without contributing hee-haw to the discussion I shall bother to engage you anyway.

Let's use an example to show the difference in audience of certain types of music and the posited racial dynamic of said difference.

One of the genres played on 1xtra is dancehall. There are very few dancehall nights in Glasgow. There are much more dancehall nights in London.

Is this because A: People who wear kilts are less likely to listen to dancehall than people who don't?

B: People who come from an Afro-Caribbean background are more likely to listen to dancehall than people who aren't and there are more Afro-Caribbean people in London than there is in Glasgow?

Answers on a postcard please.

lloydnoise wrote:The fundemental roots of most of the genres you stated (RnB, hip hop, dubstep, whatever) come from the rhythmic base of "black" music but in their current incarnations have so many varied reference points and influences that this description serves only as a loose description of the sound or culture of origin. Likewise the audience for said genres have become so diverse that the term "black" music can no longer describe them either. I think its best to realise that this terminology has just become a byword rather than a literal doctrine on the conventions of either the musicians the music or the audience. Its just a word!

Still its the wrong word.....still.

Life would be so much harder if I cared about this kind of stuff

jim wrote:Let's use an example to show the difference in audience of certain types of music and the posited racial dynamic of said difference.

One of the genres played on 1xtra is dancehall. There are very few dancehall nights in Glasgow. There are much more dancehall nights in London.

Is this because A: People who wear kilts are less likely to listen to dancehall than people who don't?

B: People who come from an Afro-Caribbean background are more likely to listen to dancehall than people who aren't and there are more Afro-Caribbean people in London than there is in Glasgow?

and yet you won't find a single dancehall night in london advertising themselves as playing 'black music'.

What's your point caller?

Were you at the match?

same as a few people have said... it'd be ok if they were sayin 'home of new music of black origin', like the MOBOs. but it's just NOT 'black music' as a station. some tunes on there are made by black producers, some are not. and also as a few people have said... they would neeeeeever get away with 'new white music'. it's insulting to all races because non-blacks who make music that gets played on 1xtra are getting holed into something that isn't a part of them and blacks are getting holed into their music being about their race, rather than just music. race wouldn't be such an issue these days if we weren't constantly reminded about it. easier said than done, obviously... but i've always thought this was very crude of the BBC.

jim wrote:What's your point caller?

Were you at the match?

lol.

my point is it's irrelevant what racial demographic makes up the majority of their listeners

you've done the classic internet go off on an unrelated tangent

pk- wrote: you've done the classic internet go off on an unrelated tangent

Oh my days. Can you read ONE of my posts and understand the plain English contained in it please? You're the one going off on tangents.

No one asked whether it was a good idea for 1xtra to describe itself as broadcasting "black music". The question was whether it was racist or not for them to do it. I said it wasn't. You said "do dancehall nights call themselves black music nights?" which had nothing to do with the question in hand!

No, let's all call it "urban" which basically is a codeword for "black" and then all be happy.