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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:13 pm
by poax
no one goes commercial to give a scene credibility ,thats fucking gash.Why does the music need to be given credibility ? And credibility in whose eyes? im pretty sure that you would lose all credibility within the scene , and then when your 5 minutes of fame is up you would want to be let back in and go back underground. If your music is credible why would you feel the need to prove it other then for money or glory ?
commercialism within an UNDERGROUND scene (to my knowledge ) has never done any benefit .
oh the happy memories of mbeat and general levy on top of the pops- miming out of sync to the backing music. (please note my sarcastic tone)
what do you think will happen, Barry and Elaine from stoke on trent will say "ahh this is just what weve been waiting for , lets fire up the itunes download a playlist and have a party"?
fuck off.
if you wanna go commercial at least have the fuckin cahunas to say why .
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:14 pm
by hungry_man
fliPPo wrote:We should form a beurocratic dubstep steering committee, yes?
I can think of a few items on the agenda for our first anual general meeting...
- vote on the proposed banning wobble act
- proposed of moving minimal tech infulueced dubstep into it's own genre with it's own sub-comittee
- could have a special dubstep mainstreem asimilation and climatization framework
this would also call for some kind of emergency contingency plan for the abondenment of dubstep for a new genre if things get too hairy. We should have a planning group already working on designing the new emergency genre and getting it ready to launch into the underground as soon as we quit dubstep. I will get the stats depertment onto working out the most ideal BPM.
you, sir, are a comedic genius
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:18 pm
by badger
Corpsey wrote:talking Vocal snips how about 'ancient memories'... so subtle and adds so much with so little
yeah definitely, that's a perfect example
think a lot of the time having a vocal doesn't really have a point other than just to have a vocal, or trying to crossover or something. obviously not the case all the time but often it is - look at that nancy sinatra dubstep remix. snippets on the other hand always seem to be used properly and actually fit the tune, rather than just spliced over the top, and can add so much more
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:35 pm
by oddfellow
poax wrote:
if you wanna go commercial at least have the fuckin cahunas to say why .
I dont think its about wanting it to go down that direction, I just think its inevitable. I also dont see that as being a bad thing because it means that people will go onto other things and that will hopefully lead to progression. Its one of the reasons we have this music to begin with surely?
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:52 pm
by poax
Tomity wrote:poax wrote:
if you wanna go commercial at least have the fuckin cahunas to say why .
I dont think its about wanting it to go down that direction, I just think its inevitable. I also dont see that as being a bad thing because it means that people will go onto other things and that will hopefully lead to progression. Its one of the reasons we have this music to begin with surely?
its only inevitable for the individual not the music.
i dont understand how commercialism equates to progress and for me personally it was never a factor that attracted me to any scene - for me its probably the complete opposite and i actually find it quite repellent
we will see the effect anyway when Night is released.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:04 pm
by oddfellow
poax wrote:Tomity wrote:poax wrote:
if you wanna go commercial at least have the fuckin cahunas to say why .
I dont think its about wanting it to go down that direction, I just think its inevitable. I also dont see that as being a bad thing because it means that people will go onto other things and that will hopefully lead to progression. Its one of the reasons we have this music to begin with surely?
its only inevitable for the individual not the music.
i dont understand how commercialism equates to progress and for me personally it was never a factor that attracted me to any scene - for me its probably the complete opposite and i actually find it quite repellent
we will see the effect anyway when Night is released.
I dont think it equates to progress. I think it leads to bland music which then leads onto progress. Do you think we would have dubstep if other scenes hadnt gone commercial?
I agree with what you say about the individual but unfortunately the majority seem to go for whats presented to them rather then go looking for what they like.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:19 pm
by poax
Tomity wrote:
I dont think it equates to progress. I think it leads to bland music which then leads onto progress. Do you think we would have dubstep if other scenes hadnt gone commercial?
I agree with what you say about the individual but unfortunately the majority seem to go for whats presented to them rather then go looking for what they like.
okay , i hear ya.
fair point.
i agree we probably wouldnt have had this music if it wasnt for others going down the pan and i do see what you are saying about progress, i just feel that alot of the people who are drawn to these situations are quite often less accomplished then the people who are happy to just keep building something more (for the want of a better word) wholesome.
when you say about the majority do you mean from a production /raver angle or consumer?
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:28 pm
by oddfellow
poax wrote:
i agree we probably wouldnt have had this music if it wasnt for others going down the pan and i do see what you are saying about progress, i just feel that alot of the people who are drawn to these situations are quite often less accomplished then the people who are happy to just keep building something more (for the want of a better word) wholesome.
when you say about the majority do you mean from a production /raver angle or consumer?
I was meaning from the perspective of the consumer. Its the most logical way I can see how so much shit is bought. If a song is played to you over and over again eventually it will get into your head and I think a lot of people confuse something thats 'catchy' to genuinely good music.
I myself am not a producer so dont have that mentality but from what I've seen it seems that a 'scene' or genre will come about, the people who have developed this sound have many influences and are talented so its something new and exciting. Then you get producers or musicians who like what they hear and get involved. But over time all you get are people who are influenced mainly by that genre and so it gets watered down.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:28 pm
by shonky
Vocals don't necessarily mean commercial though do they - it's more what's done with them. I've got plenty of vocal music on vinyl which won't be burning its way onto any charts now or then.
Also if we take one of dubstep's founding fathers as El-b, it's not like he wasn't doing more commercial garage with the more underground stuff without any drop in quality. Benny Ill did the Elephant Man and Blazing Squad remixes, both of which are pretty damn good (better than the originals by far) and Menta did Ramp with Ms Dynamite (still pretty awesome). So it can be done and still have integrity.
If it's Westlife with sub-bass lite, then no, really.
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:36 pm
by oddfellow
I dont know what to make of
this. Instrumental sounds pretty good but the vocals are a bit too smooth for my liking
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:49 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
i like mcs on tunes such as skeng, poison dart, intensive snare, worries again, wonders album etc
however i get nothing pretty much from mcs at events with a couple of exceptions..flowdans vocals on tracks are fucking awesome but that rinse @ the end cd he and in fact all of the mcs did nothing for me...poax is cool though
vocalwise theres that pinch album that did nowt for me
but then theres cays crays mala remix thats wicked
music is music by & large and can be good & bad
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:50 pm
by feasible_weasel
Chuck Norris says no
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:51 pm
by deamonds
poax wrote:
i dont understand how commercialism equates to progress and for me personally it was never a factor that attracted me to any scene - for me its probably the complete opposite and i actually find it quite repellent
AMEN AMEN AMEN A-FUCKING-MEN
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:53 pm
by wobbleman
fliPPo wrote:We should form a beurocratic dubstep steering committee, yes?
I can think of a few items on the agenda for our first anual general meeting...
- vote on the proposed banning wobble act
- proposed of moving minimal tech infulueced dubstep into it's own genre with it's own sub-comittee
- could have a special dubstep mainstreem asimilation and climatization framework
this would also call for some kind of emergency contingency plan for the abondenment of dubstep for a new genre if things get too hairy. We should have a planning group already working on designing the new emergency genre and getting it ready to launch into the underground as soon as we quit dubstep. I will get the stats depertment onto working out the most ideal BPM.
people like wobble, and not just idiots either
I think vocals in dubstep often work really well, and should probably be used more often, i agree that if the right vocals were used then dubstep would get alot more attention and would appeal to alot more people, but then i guess people would start to moan about it bein to comercialised
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:54 pm
by wobbleman
people like wobble, and not just idiots either
I think vocals in dubstep often work really well, and should probably be used more often, i agree that if the right vocals were used then dubstep would get alot more attention and would appeal to alot more people, but then i guess people would start to moan about it bein to comercialised
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:02 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
i thought dubstep already was popular and being played on a regular slot on radio 1 (albeit not an entire show)?
(my 1st post was in reaction to the original question)
i really dont care how big it gets...some people will remain making wicked music and others will try and ride the wave of the genres new found popularity
just look at d&b...i can still find artists i love...some people maintained their standard and others didnt..dillinjas old tunes obviously own his new ones mind
there has been a lot of amazing music released over the years that was hugely popular....things dont change that much...the way music is marketed has become largely repugnant and obviously targeted but give people some credit i say for not all being duped morons
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:49 am
by pacman
it's not about going or not going commercial. it's about doing what you feel. you shouldn't limit yourself because someone says that would be fake or that would be real. or because of fear to appeal to the masses. no one can sell you but yourself. in the end of the day it's all about you and your music. isn't it?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:15 pm
by *grand*
YES
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:18 pm
by slothrop
My only problem with MCs at events is when the system isn't really loud enough, and they have to turn the tunes down so low you can barely hear them let alone feel them just so you can hear the MC over the top. I mean, I like MCs but priorities, people...
I think worrying about commercialism is a bit of a distraction tbh. Keep the standards high, keep progressing and let the mainstream keep up if it can.
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:23 pm
by Steve AC23
fliPPo wrote:We should form a beurocratic dubstep steering committee, yes?
I can think of a few items on the agenda for our first anual general meeting...
- vote on the proposed banning wobble act
- proposed of moving minimal tech infulueced dubstep into it's own genre with it's own sub-comittee
- could have a special dubstep mainstreem asimilation and climatization framework
this would also call for some kind of emergency contingency plan for the abondenment of dubstep for a new genre if things get too hairy. We should have a planning group already working on designing the new emergency genre and getting it ready to launch into the underground as soon as we quit dubstep. I will get the stats depertment onto working out the most ideal BPM.
people like wobble, and not just idiots either
I think vocals in dubstep often work really well, and should probably be used more often, i agree that if the right vocals were used then dubstep would get alot more attention and would appeal to alot more people, but then i guess people would start to moan about it bein to comercialised
hahahaha classic