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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:11 pm
by xor
Well, this thread really smacks of a territorial, hierarchical, self-important, self-aggrandising closed circle.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:13 pm
by threnody
Dubstepper wrote:The Wiggle Baron wrote:It does just smack a bit of laziness man
Prolly why there was a small spate of come backs
I myself dont know much about the process of releasing a tune, but I think if I did want to find out, id look it up myself rather than hoping someone can do it all for me.
Anyway, BOVVERED?!
But thats the thing i didnt want to know how the prosses works to that extent,
i just posted a lil thread, with a lil moan about tunes taking so long to come out and coz other peps are like well mabe you should look into the prosses b4 posting, well mabe i shouldnt, mabe people on here need to grow up abit and stop acting like children trying to get 1 over lol. Lazyness what you on about? So when some1 posts whens so and so tune coming out i dont see loads of peps sayin, well if u want to find that out why dont you look in to it yourself.
Your question was
'why does it take so long for a tune to come out'....the answer is
there is a process tunes go though after being finished before the release date. If you don't want to know the process then you won't understand why the tunes take so long to come out and can therefore get angsty without knowing why. Allow moaning if you aren't prepared to understand the reason. If there is any moan it should be at the labels and more importantly distros as once a producer finishes a track it is out of their hands.....
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:13 pm
by blizzardmusic
Why do producers take so long?
Probably because their EQ'ing, mastering, and pressing their vinyls?
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:17 pm
by cogi
XOR wrote:Well, this thread really smacks of a territorial, hierarchical, self-important, self-aggrandising closed circle.
lol i know.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:46 pm
by bob crunkhouse
thinking wrote:Dubplate culture is A&R for labels - the tunes that go down best are the ones to release. When we sent round the first Vex'd CDs to a handful of the 'big' DJs, it was Lion & Pop Pop that were getting cut by them, Lion & Pop Pop that we were hearing when we went to Fwd>>, so it was logical that Pinch chose these two tunes to be released as Subtext 001 & 002.
I don't have a problem with dubplate culture at all, it's preferable to the alternative of complete non-exclusivity of music. The negative aspects piss me off though:
I detest this elitism over dubs/CDs. Yeah dubs sound crisp for about the first ten plays, after that they start to sound terrible. Plus at Subloaded in April, we had a monster system, and the older acetates just couldn't cope with the bass and skipped. 95% couldn't tell the difference between a dubplste or a CD in a club situation (and the other 5% only when the system is top quality and well tuned), plus CDJs can't and don't feedback/skip due to volume. Frankly, if it's good enough for some of the world's top DJs, in every single genre of underground music, it's good enough for me.
Also, some DJs take the elitism of dubplate culture too far IMO - only plyaing a select few producers' beats or, even worse, playing beats by a certain producer even if it's wack, just because it's by this particular person/crew. This does nothing to push the scene forward, and only serves to hinder its expansion
Good post from one of those old threads.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:52 pm
by xor
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:thinking wrote:Dubplate culture is A&R for labels - the tunes that go down best are the ones to release. When we sent round the first Vex'd CDs to a handful of the 'big' DJs, it was Lion & Pop Pop that were getting cut by them, Lion & Pop Pop that we were hearing when we went to Fwd>>, so it was logical that Pinch chose these two tunes to be released as Subtext 001 & 002.
I don't have a problem with dubplate culture at all, it's preferable to the alternative of complete non-exclusivity of music. The negative aspects piss me off though:
I detest this elitism over dubs/CDs. Yeah dubs sound crisp for about the first ten plays, after that they start to sound terrible. Plus at Subloaded in April, we had a monster system, and the older acetates just couldn't cope with the bass and skipped. 95% couldn't tell the difference between a dubplste or a CD in a club situation (and the other 5% only when the system is top quality and well tuned), plus CDJs can't and don't feedback/skip due to volume. Frankly, if it's good enough for some of the world's top DJs, in every single genre of underground music, it's good enough for me.
Also, some DJs take the elitism of dubplate culture too far IMO - only plyaing a select few producers' beats or, even worse, playing beats by a certain producer even if it's wack, just because it's by this particular person/crew. This does nothing to push the scene forward, and only serves to hinder its expansion
Good post from one of those old threads.
Nice one B Crunkhouse.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:57 pm
by dubstepper
Hey bro, thanks for being probly the first person to have a decent reply, well i think i mite just read some of the threads you pointed out. But i have to say if most people used the search befor posting then they probly woudnt have to post. Would of been nice if others made a more usefull reply rather then giving me a ribbing as you stated.
Re: Why do producers take so long?
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:00 pm
by seckle
everyone wants everything instantly. people sign up for a myspace, and feel their entitled to things because they have a myspace. it's hilarious these days.
this instant music culture is going to be a problem in a few years. the next decade of kids that are getting their first ipods today, aren't going to have any kind of respect for the creative process whatsoever. all they want is the files, now now now.
why can't i have them? why do i have to pay for them? i have an internet connection and your tune was on it, so it's mine now. etc, etc.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:02 pm
by dubluke
XOR wrote:Well, this thread really smacks of a territorial, hierarchical, self-important, self-aggrandising closed circle.
you're right, and it happens far too often for my liking as well
Re: Why do producers take so long?
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:03 pm
by dubstepper
seckle wrote:everyone wants everything instantly. people sign up for a myspace, and feel their entitled to things because they have a myspace. it's hilarious these days.
this instant music culture is going to be a problem in a few years. the next decade of kids that are getting their first ipods today, aren't going to have any kind of respect for the creative process whatsoever. all they want is the files, now now now.
why can't i have them? why do i have to pay for them? i have an internet connection and your tune was on it, so it's mine now. etc, etc.
I simply said it would be nice not to have to wait so long, no mention of wanting anything now, but i know what you mean tho, but i think your going way over the top becoz having internet conection paying for tunes i want it now, wheres this all coming from?
Re: Why do producers take so long?
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:07 pm
by seckle
Dubstepper wrote:seckle wrote:everyone wants everything instantly. people sign up for a myspace, and feel their entitled to things because they have a myspace. it's hilarious these days.
this instant music culture is going to be a problem in a few years. the next decade of kids that are getting their first ipods today, aren't going to have any kind of respect for the creative process whatsoever. all they want is the files, now now now.
why can't i have them? why do i have to pay for them? i have an internet connection and your tune was on it, so it's mine now. etc, etc.
I simply said it would be nice not to have to wait so long, no mention of wanting anything now, but i know what you mean tho, but i think your going way over the top becoz having internet conection paying for tunes i want it now, wheres this all coming from?
i am speaking in generalizations here. not directly at you.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:16 pm
by ikarai
For the record, I think theres a legitimate question as to why
some tunes take absolutely ages to hit the shops, whereas others are out there before they're that big at all. Two that spring to mind are, for the former case: Lean Fwd.. and for the latter, the new Ikonika bit on Hyperdub. Two big labels in the scene, obviously taking a very different approach to things.
However it was the fascinating usage of the hitherto unknown word 'boogle' that really drew my attention to this thread. Respect for that
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:20 pm
by blizzardmusic
Think about it this way:
Would you rather have a shit, unmixed tune that took a day to release, or a quality one, mixed crisply, that takes about a year?
I'll take the crisply mixed banger please
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:21 pm
by seckle
another point to stress is that the distribution process is on a schedule, and these schedules can push a release anywhere from 2 months to more than a year away from the day you hear something on rinse.
the cutting house has a schedule.
the distro has a schedule.
the stores follow these schedules.
you can't just clap your hands and make good music. everything in it's own time.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:22 pm
by xor
BlizzardMusic wrote:
I'll take the crisply mixed banger please
Mash with that?
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:23 pm
by blizzardmusic
XOR wrote:BlizzardMusic wrote:
I'll take the crisply mixed banger please
Mash with that?
yeah man, it will mash up the set
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:23 pm
by xor
seckle wrote:another point to stress is that the distribution process is on a schedule, and these schedules can push a release anywhere from 2 months to more than a year away from the day you hear something on rinse.
the cutting house has a schedule.
the distro has a schedule.
the stores follow these schedules.
you can't just clap your hands and make good music. everything in it's own time.
Summer isn't the best time to release stuff either.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:35 pm
by fractal
dubluke wrote:XOR wrote:Well, this thread really smacks of a territorial, hierarchical, self-important, self-aggrandising closed circle.
you're right, and it happens far too often for my liking as well
your far too sensitive nan! i think its easy to impose a haughty attitude over text, it being a medium devoid of tone and face & body expression...
i think it all comes down to people not using the search function and starting another thread in a series of threads about the same subject
its all love tho!! community!!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:36 pm
by dusk governor
lol
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:43 pm
by djshiva
UFO over easy wrote:probably worth looking into how the process works before posting stuff like this
+1
an anecdote that shows how weird the record industry can be:
there was a record pressing house on the US east coast that went bankrupt last year or the year before. they had all the plates from past releases and upcoming releases stolen by employees who sold them as scrap metal. this not only stopped any chances of represses, but killed every slated release that was being pressed there.
for those who don't know, the metal stamper plates are the initial step in record cutting, and they are an expensive part of it. you lose your plates, that's a big cost to get them redone again.
so all these labels basically had to pay DOUBLE fto get out any release that got screwed in the process. the philly label that i am on had their whole schedule set back for a year because they had to come up with the money a second time for the releases they had in there.
so things can go weird or get held up at many stages in the game. it's the way of things. we are lucky to have great forum producers who keep us in fresh tunes while we wait for the industry process. we didn't have that just a few years ago, so i can't complain.