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well surrounded by pills sounds a little bit that way but doesn't actually specifically say it

...and in the first sentence

Signs pointed to a suicide or an accidental overdose, police sources said. Mr. Ledger was 28.

jumping to conclusions, however fun, is always getting ahead of yourself. accidental overdoses do happen. that said, if it was suicide, while it frustrates me to see people give up, NONE OF US know what someone else's life is like, nor do we know the personal demons they struggle with.

it makes me angry when people give up on life, and trust me, i have family and friends who have, but i refuse to judge anyone based on how famous or rich they are. money doesn't buy happiness. it may be a cliche, but it's completely true.

this is a loss of a great talent. ledger's work in "brokeback mountain" was absolutely STUNNING.

i think part of the shock is that this has 'flown under the radar' so to speak.

the media hypes particular personalities (the amys, the britneys, et al...) so that you almost come to expect their untimely ends... but with heath, he was really only ever recognised for his inherent talent and the odd relationship drama. i'm sad for his family and his daughter right now. and it's awful to think he may have been struggling to cope with mental and/or emotional issues that became too much to bear... and to remember that this is the case for many people around the world.

The media doesn't help a lot of people - there's an unhealthy obsession with 'fallen' heroes. Some use it cynically to get coverage and keep themselves in the limelight, but the majority are ill and need help and understanding, not national ridicule.

It's a sad world sometimes..

datura wrote:The media doesn't help a lot of people - there's an unhealthy obsession with 'fallen' heroes. Some use it cynically to get coverage and keep themselves in the limelight, but the majority are ill and need help and understanding, not national ridicule.

It's a sad world sometimes..

completely agree.

Christ! That was unexpected. Sympathies to all his friends and family, of course. Anyone read the cover feature on The Dark Knight in Empire just before Christmas? In Ledger's interview he talked a lot about how he had to tap into his darker nature to prepare for the role of the Joker. Looks like it might have taken its toll...

I'm not in the slightest bit sad for him or about his death. I dont see how i could be. What does it matter if one other person is dead. I didn't know him or his freinds or family. How can i be sad about a head line. Should i be sad about the millions of people who die unessisarly every day? How can i feel sad about an abstract idea?

metalboxproducts wrote:I'm not in the slightest bit sad for him or about his death. I dont see how i could be. What does it matter if one other person is dead. I didn't know him or his freinds or family. How can i be sad about a head line. Should i be sad about the millions of people who die unessisarly every day? How can i feel sad about an abstract idea?

come on, mate. death can be sad even in its most abstract. sometimes more so. it can be absurd with the mythology and hyperbole surrounding the death of a young celebrity, but it's still quite sad. the man had a young daughter and a family...

but to flip what grand was saying... i think people feel a lot of sympathy because the man had so much going for him. i've had cousins and friends who left real early in life and it makes it tougher.

either way, we all get our lottery number called some time. assholes and angels alike.

showguns wrote:i think people feel a lot of sympathy because the man had so much going for him.

Agreed. That's why these kinds of deaths are so fascinating in a way - people who seemingly 'had it all' - success, fame, legions of fans, critical respect - yet still couldn't contain their personal demons. Nobody's suggesting that Ledger's death is any 'sadder' or more important than anyone else's. Just that it maybe says more about the human condition and material ideas of 'happiness' in general.

Ok ok i feel bad for his doughter.

metalboxproducts wrote:I'm not in the slightest bit sad for him or about his death. I dont see how i could be. What does it matter if one other person is dead. I didn't know him or his freinds or family. How can i be sad about a head line. Should i be sad about the millions of people who die unessisarly every day? How can i feel sad about an abstract idea?

i'm gonna have to go with showguns on this one.

death as an abstract idea? really? it happens all around us, every day, to people we don't know and to people we do. however inevitable, it is always sad, and it's that emotional resonance and the inevitability that make it ANYTHING but abstract. it doesn't matter if it's one person or one thousand, each person's death has an impact.

i don't have to know someone, famous or not, to feel sad for their loss. call me a big sap, or perhaps i am just overly empathetic, but it always cuts to a root level for me. i think it's both the identification with losing someone, along with the reality that it's all of our fates, but neither of those undermines the truth of the emotion.

that's just my take on things.

metalboxproducts wrote:I'm not in the slightest bit sad for him or about his death. I dont see how i could be. What does it matter if one other person is dead. I didn't know him or his freinds or family. How can i be sad about a head line. Should i be sad about the millions of people who die unessisarly every day? How can i feel sad about an abstract idea?

in a way i can see what you're saying tim, although i'm aware that it is of course a sad occurence, and i can empathise with his family and friends who now miss him i'm not actually sad in myself as i never knew the guy on a personal level

its the same when national figures die in a high profile way, for example when princess diana died there were public outbursts of emotion etc. - maybe i'm just a bit cold about this kind of thing, but personally i can't really understand that as the large majority of those people never knew her or felt a connection on a personal level.

and grand, to what you had to say.....insensitive and a bit unnecessary in my eyes

dubluke wrote:personally i can't really understand that as the large majority of those people never knew her or felt a connection on a personal level.

i don't think you necessarily need to know someone or have a direct connection with them in order to experience feelings or emotions. sometimes events that affect others cause you to question or evaluate your own circumstances - feelings come to the fore that may previously have been tucked away. many people mourning diana, while saddened by the loss, may also have been dealing with emotional issues brought to the surface by the event itself.

does that make sense?

nesslei wrote:

dubluke wrote:personally i can't really understand that as the large majority of those people never knew her or felt a connection on a personal level.

i don't think you necessarily need to know someone or have a direct connection with them in order to experience feelings or emotions. sometimes events that affect others cause you to question or evaluate your own circumstances - feelings come to the fore that may previously have been tucked away. many people mourning diana, while saddened by the loss, may also have been dealing with emotional issues brought to the surface by the event itself.

does that make sense?

yep but its way past your bed time

jred wrote:

nesslei wrote:

dubluke wrote:personally i can't really understand that as the large majority of those people never knew her or felt a connection on a personal level.

i don't think you necessarily need to know someone or have a direct connection with them in order to experience feelings or emotions. sometimes events that affect others cause you to question or evaluate your own circumstances - feelings come to the fore that may previously have been tucked away. many people mourning diana, while saddened by the loss, may also have been dealing with emotional issues brought to the surface by the event itself.

does that make sense?

yep but its way past your bed time

ok dad!

hahahaa young whippa snappers these days never in my day i tells ya mummble mutterr

R.I.P
Cant say I saw 'Break your back Mountain' .. sham on his daughter

nesslei wrote:

dubluke wrote:personally i can't really understand that as the large majority of those people never knew her or felt a connection on a personal level.

i don't think you necessarily need to know someone or have a direct connection with them in order to experience feelings or emotions. sometimes events that affect others cause you to question or evaluate your own circumstances - feelings come to the fore that may previously have been tucked away. many people mourning diana, while saddened by the loss, may also have been dealing with emotional issues brought to the surface by the event itself.

does that make sense?

Yes, I think you're right. I know that a while after I lost people close to me that similar events would bring back those feelings of loss.