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Misk wrote:are feeling the deeper dubstep? It has been my experience that a lot of people in so cal are really feeling the darker stuff here. Like, to the point where it would be a floor-clearingly bad idea to drop a shackleton track. I on the other hand, LOVE this stuff. the deeper, the darker, the better. I get this feeling that us americans dont know how to be "dark" without being "hard as nails". Im not talking slow, im not talking boring, im talking clouds, im talking scuba, im talking, the other 75% of dubstep that isnt what i'd call slowed down drum n bass.

anyone else here besides me?

yeah i've noticed a lot of what gets played around here is the harder/darker stuff... which isnt always bad... but variety is key.

the worse part about this trend in my opinion is that it scares off people outside the dnb scene that might enjoy some of the other dubstep being made.
when i meet people that are into other techno, etc, that i also dig, but say they dont like dubstep, they almost always throw in the "slowed-down dnb" line... which is a little discouraging....
best method of sneaking in on that crowd i guess is throwing it into those nights that they do enjoy... which i see done more and more... although the most eclectic sounding dubstep monthly here just ceased being a monthly, and i guess a series of (less frequent) one offs...

to be honest, i expected that reaction from americans... but i was hoping that wouldnt happen this time around

I am in Tri-Cities, WA, US. I am trying to blow up dub but nobody is digging it. I got a few friends into hip-hop that see potential as far as beats, but shit, even d&b is weak. I want to head to seattle or portland oregon and see whats up, cause there isn't shit banging around here.

NoSpin wrote:

Misk wrote:are feeling the deeper dubstep? It has been my experience that a lot of people in so cal are really feeling the darker stuff here. Like, to the point where it would be a floor-clearingly bad idea to drop a shackleton track. I on the other hand, LOVE this stuff. the deeper, the darker, the better. I get this feeling that us americans dont know how to be "dark" without being "hard as nails". Im not talking slow, im not talking boring, im talking clouds, im talking scuba, im talking, the other 75% of dubstep that isnt what i'd call slowed down drum n bass.

anyone else here besides me?

yeah i've noticed a lot of what gets played around here is the harder/darker stuff... which isnt always bad... but variety is key.

the worse part about this trend in my opinion is that it scares off people outside the dnb scene that might enjoy some of the other dubstep being made.
when i meet people that are into other techno, etc, that i also dig, but say they dont like dubstep, they almost always throw in the "slowed-down dnb" line... which is a little discouraging....
best method of sneaking in on that crowd i guess is throwing it into those nights that they do enjoy... which i see done more and more... although the most eclectic sounding dubstep monthly here just ceased being a monthly, and i guess a series of (less frequent) one offs...

to be honest, i expected that reaction from americans... but i was hoping that wouldnt happen this time around

i see you no spin. i havent been to a dubstep night in seattle for a bit now, kinda got burned out on the almost 100% hard and dark... shame about struggles night. it seems like round here, most of the dubstep crew comes from a dnb scene and it definatly shows in their selection and production... not that its bad, it just seems a little monochromatic to me

I subscribe to the "right place, right time" theory

^ i think that would depend on what your into... as someone who loves deep with lots of pressure, droping such a tune would make me bust a move at any time... hearing some shackleton or some burial would make me go into pure skank out mode man - height of the night type shit

drifterman_ wrote: dj what you're feeling first and foremost

crowd come second

Sorry man, I have to disagree. Crowd come first. Always. Without them, you would just be playing in your bedroom.

Yeah, its your job as a dj to introduce new tunes to people, but unless you're playing something the crowd wants to hear, you're gonna clear the floor and not get booked again.

When you are a tastemaker and have proven yourself to the point that you have a following, you can play whatever you want, but until then you have to play the game. That means pandering to the crowd while trying to fit in a few 'education' tracks.

That being said, Ill never play a tune I dont like. But when Im playing out my set is going to reflect my tastes filtered through the tastes of the crowd Im playing to and the show Im playing at.

i have to say that people in minneapolis have seemed to really enjoy the sets i've played and i play stuff from all across the board and i've yet to "clear the dancefloor" (in the few times i've played in clubs). i ran a weekly dubstep/techno night in a lounge for about 6/7 months and i think that help acclimate (sp?) people to the sound, so when they hear it on a louder system it's not so foriegn.

i dunno....i think people are (and have been) ready for something different and as djs we shouldn't be afraid of selecting tracks that aren't part of the status quo.

Dj's decide what direction this music goes to. And if you keep filtering things out because of the crowd you'll end up with banal and superflous music.

This has happened with every music I fell in love with and it bothers me. The crowd always wants harder and bigger drops but that shouldn't happen. People should try to appreciate the minimal bass pressure from eg. Shackleton as well. Closing your eyes, not caring about anything in the world and just getting in the zone. And then, when that one tune drops you'll truly appreciate the power of the dark side (ergh, I mean wob-wob )

Now flame me for being elitist or whatever ... :/

Kastor wrote:

kidlogic wrote:

drifterman_ wrote: dj what you're feeling first and foremost

crowd come second

Sorry man, I have to disagree. Crowd come first. Always. Without them, you would just be playing in your bedroom.


That being said, Ill never play a tune I dont like. But when Im playing out my set is going to reflect my tastes filtered through the tastes of the crowd Im playing to and the show Im playing at.

Dj's decide what direction this music goes to.

Thats what Im saying, but also that you wouldnt be there if not for your crowd, so to totally disregard them and whats working for them is a bad move. Trust, I dont play a set full of just the bangers and top tracks, but Im not gonna drop just what I want to hear either. My point is that you need to respect your crowd, while still introducing them to new tunes and styles.

kidlogic wrote:

Kastor wrote:

kidlogic wrote:

drifterman_ wrote: dj what you're feeling first and foremost

crowd come second

Sorry man, I have to disagree. Crowd come first. Always. Without them, you would just be playing in your bedroom.


That being said, Ill never play a tune I dont like. But when Im playing out my set is going to reflect my tastes filtered through the tastes of the crowd Im playing to and the show Im playing at.

Dj's decide what direction this music goes to.

Thats what Im saying, but also that you wouldnt be there if not for your crowd, so to totally disregard them and whats working for them is a bad move. Trust, I dont play a set full of just the bangers and top tracks, but Im not gonna drop just what I want to hear either. My point is that you need to respect your crowd, while still introducing them to new tunes and styles.

yeah, I feel what you're saying. Those are the ingredients of what makes a good dj innit

I'm just glad people overhere appreciate the deeper stuff as well. Also, it's not because the crowd isn't going berserk they aren't having a good time.

Kastor wrote:
Dj's decide what direction this music goes to. And if you keep filtering things out because of the crowd you'll end up with banal and superflous music.

This has happened with every music I fell in love with and it bothers me. The crowd always wants harder and bigger drops but that shouldn't happen. People should appreciate the minimal bass pressure from eg. Shackleton as well. Closing your eyes, not caring about anything in the world and just getting in the zone. And then, when that one tune drops you'll truly appreciate the power of the dark side (ergh, I mean wob-wob )

Now flame me for being elitist or whatever ... :/

which is precisely why the night i tried to get going never went anywhere. in my experience, the crowd wants to be herded like cattle into a hyphy beat and stay there .. not much appreciation for variety .. but then, what do you do? do you hold fast to wanting to play lots of different kinds of music and wait till it just gets too expensive to have your own night (because you aren't selling drinks at the bar), or do you make a name for yourself playing a banger tune night week after week after week and get murderously bored (and contribute to the homogenity of nightlife)? obviously i prefer the former. fuck it, i'll roast too.

oh and 20,000 leagues all the way.

andreamia wrote:

Kastor wrote:
Dj's decide what direction this music goes to. And if you keep filtering things out because of the crowd you'll end up with banal and superflous music.

This has happened with every music I fell in love with and it bothers me. The crowd always wants harder and bigger drops but that shouldn't happen. People should appreciate the minimal bass pressure from eg. Shackleton as well. Closing your eyes, not caring about anything in the world and just getting in the zone. And then, when that one tune drops you'll truly appreciate the power of the dark side (ergh, I mean wob-wob )

Now flame me for being elitist or whatever ... :/

which is precisely why the night i tried to get going never went anywhere. in my experience, the crowd wants to be herded like cattle into a hyphy beat and stay there .. not much appreciation for variety .. but then, what do you do? do you hold fast to wanting to play lots of different kinds of music and wait till it just gets too expensive to have your own night (because you aren't selling drinks at the bar), or do you make a name for yourself playing a banger tune night week after week after week and get murderously bored (and contribute to the homogenity of nightlife)? obviously i prefer the former. fuck it, i'll roast too.

Thats when you bring it back to the old school, underground style, and do it your way. No bar owners telling you to sell drinks and make door... you just need to build the hype for it before you jump in headfirst. Plus, underground style, you can bring in the youngins and teach them the ways of the deep...

kidlogic wrote: Thats when you bring it back to the old school, underground style, and do it your way. No bar owners telling you to sell drinks and make door... you just need to build the hype for it before you jump in headfirst. Plus, underground style, you can bring in the youngins and teach them the ways of the deep...

ah, but but then it's all about having a proper soundsystem innit.

one of these days i'll host the night of my dreams. maybe sooner than i think!

its gotta be deeper tunes for me. the bangers are really starting to annoy me.

I started my BRAP DEM night at a bar I did happy hour for like a year and would play Dubstep for the last hour. The bar manager eventually begged me for mixes and then asked me to move my happy hour to a night time event and now its a Bi Weekly event. I was lucky that my bar manager recognized good music and gave me a chance to go big. The night starts off deep and has a lot of bangers in between but its based on vibe and dj and crowd. I'm hella feeling SP right now those are some deep tunes.

why does it have to be either or? the best tunes have a little bit of both.

deep or sleep.

Shackleton is top three producers easily.

Lately threads on here are making me cringe a lot a lot a lot.

Glad this thread came up, seems like it's time for folks to embrace the deeper bits.

Sam Supa said:

"I'm hella feeling SP right now those are some deep tunes."




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drifterman_ wrote:on a level

dj what you're feelings first and foremost

crowd come second

rags.

This.

Why would I want to see a DJ play to the crowd? A) 90% of most crowds are fucking morons. B) If all Djs played to the crowd you would get identical sets - what's the point in going to a dance then?

The best DJs I go to see play the same stuff they play when they're in their bedroom - That's why I go to see them...I want to see what they're into and be exposed to new stuff.

There's nothing more annoying than when you go see a DJ, who you know plays the sickest deep sets when they are at FWD, but feels they have to water their selection down because they are somewhere else.

relaks wrote: Shackleton is top three producers easily.

Lately threads on here are making me cringe a lot a lot a lot.

This also.