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Bob Grommit wrote:Torque is a great album, but I can tell by your selections as a whole in your previous post that you unfortunately missed the fundamentals.

well, i mean, don't get me wrong. i've done a lil homework over the years, for sure. i own quite a bit of records (passed down from a retired jungle dj active from 93-97) from that time period. early reinforced, talkin loud, lucky spin, suburban base, ganja, joker, metalheadz, dee jay and a ton of one off random labels... .

can't say i dig on any of them too much. the sound just wasn't developed enough during those time periods. i guess it's something interesting to hear, but it just don't move me. it's definately not like i haven't heard em. just don't dig em too much.

Hate Recordings wrote: early reinforced, talkin loud, lucky spin, suburban base, ganja, joker, metalheadz, dee jay and a ton of one off random labels... .

can't say i dig on any of them too much. the sound just wasn't developed enough during those time periods.

Will you sell them to me then?

these are on ebay all the time. each one is worth hunting down.

logical progression level 1,2,3 cd's -good looking records-
http://www.rolldabeats.com/search/all/l ... rogression

metalheadz tin box
http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/metalheadz/metbox001

dillinja -angels fell- meth006
http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/metalheadz/met006

enforcers pic discs series ,volume 1,2,3,4 -reinforced records-
http://www.rolldabeats.com/search/all/enforcers

gangsta in the jungle compilation ganj01 cd
http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/gangsta/ganj01cd

RickyRicardo wrote:

Hate Recordings wrote: early reinforced, talkin loud, lucky spin, suburban base, ganja, joker, metalheadz, dee jay and a ton of one off random labels... .

can't say i dig on any of them too much. the sound just wasn't developed enough during those time periods.

Will you sell them to me then?

lol, if you got the money i will. if negative 01 (kemal & rob data - the mummy/bleed) can sell for $60 on ebay, im sure just one of these plates could go for much more.

just kidding. i wouldn't sell em. they were a gift from a very special friend. these plates were without question the foundation on which i learned how to spin records. just because i don't like the music doesn't mean they don't mean the world to me.

he also gave me a SHITLOAD of original detroit techno records. i got an original pressing of dbx's "losing control" in BEAUTIFUL condition. he might've played it 3 times. wasn't that big into the tune at the time.

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probally the tightest record he gave me out of that whole bunch was a tune by dillinja called "motherfucker" on the philly blunt label. that tune still kills it.

Hate Recordings wrote:inner city life sucks. once this sound disappeared from dnb, that's when i got into it. it turned me off to jungle in a serious way. had serious issues with the genre till tech step came along and tore everything apart.

haha this is the exact opposite of how I felt about things at the time.

Hate Recordings wrote:

Bob Grommit wrote:Torque is a great album, but I can tell by your selections as a whole in your previous post that you unfortunately missed the fundamentals.

well, i mean, don't get me wrong. i've done a lil homework over the years, for sure. i own quite a bit of records (passed down from a retired jungle dj active from 93-97) from that time period. early reinforced, talkin loud, lucky spin, suburban base, ganja, joker, metalheadz, dee jay and a ton of one off random labels... .

can't say i dig on any of them too much. the sound just wasn't developed enough during those time periods. i guess it's something interesting to hear, but it just don't move me. it's definately not like i haven't heard em. just don't dig em too much.

I wouldn't say that the three albums I mentioned are my absolute favorites...but as far as turning someone onto jungle, those are the three I feel cross the boundaries and appeal to a wider audience than the techier sounds or more ragga influenced sounds.

Bob Grommit wrote:appeal to a wider audience than the techier sounds or more ragga influenced sounds.

i dunno, everyone i knew went nuts when this shit came out as opposed to timeless or brown paper bag. [edit] not saying everyone didnt go nuts over those 2 tunes, cuz they did [/edit] but it wasn't like i mentioned something real core specific like "wormhole" or "excorcise the demons" for the real heads inside.

i thought as far as someone who listens to dubstep, somethin like torque would appeal to them the most because alot of the sounds that are being produced right now in dubstep are very akin to that album, where as timeless and brown paper bag really arent.

monkeytek posted a no u-turn mix he made in the mix section of this forum. that would probally be a good place to start as it contains ALL the classics.

Some of those old suburban base comps were pretty hot, but I say this from memory and nostalgia so they might be rubbish. They did release one last year (or the one before, not quite sure) - Drum and Bass selection platinum edition.

Tracklistin

A1 DJ Hype Roll The Beats (Inject The Bass Mix)
Featuring - MC GQ
A2 Droppin' Science Volume 1
B1 Boogie Times Tribe The Dark Stranger (Origin Unknown Mix)
Remix - Origin Unknown
B2 Johnny Jungle Johnny
C1 DJ Rap & Aston Jeopardy (Desired State Mix)
Remix - Desired State
C2 D'Cruze Watch Out
D1 Pure (5) Anything Test (DJ Zinc Exclusive Mix)
Remix - DJ Zinc
D2 Dream Team, The Warriors
E1 DJ Dextrous & Rude Boy Keith Time To Move
Featuring - H-Pee
E2 Droppin' Science Firin' Line
F1 Cutty Ranks Limb By Limb (DJ SS Mix)
Remix - DJ SS
F2 Remarc R.I.P (DJ Hype Mix)
Remix - DJ Hype

Should cure what ails you I think!! Good for me cause I didn't manage to hear a lot of this first time round, so it's a good introduction. Think "Stamina" by Dream Team was the first jungle 12" I bought, back in ooh, 93/94 I think and Warriors was on the B-side of that.

P.S. And go for the Sound Murderer album by Remarc - didn't rate the unreleased dubs stuff, but the guys a genius. RIP and Menace are the propa bizniz.

Shonky wrote:Dream Team

dream team was actually pretty hot. dope hiphop sample usage, for sure.

Hate Recordings wrote:

Bob Grommit wrote:appeal to a wider audience than the techier sounds or more ragga influenced sounds.

i dunno, everyone i knew went nuts when this shit came out as opposed to timeless or brown paper bag. [edit] not saying everyone didnt go nuts over those 2 tunes, cuz they did [/edit] but it wasn't like i mentioned something real core specific like "wormhole" or "excorcise the demons" for the real heads inside.

i thought as far as someone who listens to dubstep, somethin like torque would appeal to them the most because alot of the sounds that are being produced right now in dubstep are very akin to that album, where as timeless and brown paper bag really arent.

Wormhole is my favorite DnB album of all-time and you can't fuck with Source Direct either, however, the original post mentioned nothing of this individual listening to dubstep...only that they were trying to get into more jungle.

Bob Grommit wrote:Wormhole is my favorite DnB album of all-time and you can't fuck with Source Direct either, however, the original post mentioned nothing of this individual listening to dubstep...only that they were trying to get into more jungle.

well

i'd assume since he's posting on dubstep forum, you would assume he listens to dubstep.

i don't exactly see this forum being flooded with progressive house listeners, know what i mean?

Hate Recordings wrote: i thought as far as someone who listens to dubstep, somethin like torque would appeal to them the most because alot of the sounds that are being produced right now in dubstep are very akin to that album, where as timeless and brown paper bag really arent.

Actually, the first time I heard "Like Sun", I immediately thought of "Timeless". Many of the elements seemed very similar to me.

Also, I think you are only focusing on one aspect of the dubstep sound when making the comparison to "Torque" and other tunes of that vein. Many of the tunes I listen to (and feel strongest about) don't really hark back to the techstep sounds much at all (or any other previous dnb incarnation). Those are just what my own ears tell me, though.

I'd actually be pretty wary if dubstep even headed in that direction.

RickyRicardo wrote:I'd actually be pretty wary if dubstep even headed in that direction.

im dying for it to go in that direction. praying for it.

In the original post, he said:

Crazydave wrote:ok guys, here's the challenge:

If you knew someone who missed out on jungle back in the day,
but was really interested to hear more, what three CD albums
(not 12"s - sorry guys) would you give them as an introduction??

as an introduction, I think anything techy would be too much.

Maybe I am thinking too much like a DJ, but it's like playing drum and bass to a crowd that had never heard it before and trying to keep them interested without barraging them.

I certainly wouldn't play Exorcise the Demons for anyone listening to DnB for the first time.
Maybe some earlier Source Direct, like their Good Looking stuff or Odysee stuff.

not the first, but THE best dnb album to me is/was "Wormhole" by Ed + Op.

ummm... here's some that aint been mentioned which i always enjoy listening to every once in a while

Jonny L - Sawtooth

Photek - Modus Operanti

Metalheadz - early Alex Reece 12"s, Doc Scott 12"s etc...

surprised no one's mentioned

Grooverider presents "The Prototype Years"

one of my favourites from back when.



Ed Rush's "Subway" at the beginning is still doing if for me and "Secrets"by John B is a killer.

and as for "Locust"

rah!

Bob Grommit wrote:

Hate Recordings wrote:

Bob Grommit wrote:appeal to a wider audience than the techier sounds or more ragga influenced sounds.

i dunno, everyone i knew went nuts when this shit came out as opposed to timeless or brown paper bag. [edit] not saying everyone didnt go nuts over those 2 tunes, cuz they did [/edit] but it wasn't like i mentioned something real core specific like "wormhole" or "excorcise the demons" for the real heads inside.

i thought as far as someone who listens to dubstep, somethin like torque would appeal to them the most because alot of the sounds that are being produced right now in dubstep are very akin to that album, where as timeless and brown paper bag really arent.

Wormhole is my favorite DnB album of all-time and you can't fuck with Source Direct either, however, the original post mentioned nothing of this individual listening to dubstep...only that they were trying to get into more jungle.

Think the tech-step stuff's amazing on production, but I always felt like the older jungle tunes had more soul to them imo. Probably the fact it was new and everyone was doing their own thing and enjoying themselves rather than trying to sound more evil than everyone else (although this did score some pretty good results).

Feel the same way about the earlier dubstep, think the thing that appealed to me was that it was fairly simply produced but had a good vibe about it (first horsepower album done with samplers and an atari st I think). The dubstep I like seems to be more influenced by jungle than drum'n'bass - more riddim and more humanity seems to be the connection.

Shonky wrote: Think the tech-step stuff's amazing on production, but I always felt like the older jungle tunes had more soul to them imo. Probably the fact it was new and everyone was doing their own thing and enjoying themselves rather than trying to sound more evil than everyone else (although this did score some pretty good results).

first time i ever heard tech step on a system, i swear to god i envisioned terminators and like post-apocolyptic future imagery. just like that begining scene in the movie, big futuristic tanks crushing fields of skulls, neon lights and burning cars. i saw the future and forgot that the past and present existed.

when music makes you not only hear something, but actually visualize something, you know youre hearing something special. it's not very often that you experience something like this. absolutely amazing. complete and utter shock. future shock.

too bad it aint what it used to be.