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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:34 am
by lucky_strike
Wub wrote:SCORE!
After installing my new copy of FL8, I remembered in about 3mins just how much I fucking love it.
Had a drum loop and bassline setup from scratch in under 15mins, something that would've taken at least a couple of hours to do under Cubase. Then spent the next couple of hours messing with effects.
Also loved how my Oxygen 8 autodetected and installed, plus I was able to assign rotaries for the first time in about 2 fucking years. Praise be.
ummmm, your just not very good with cubase then.
Cubase is another level compared to FL. it just is.
Used Logic 8 last week tho. oh my that runs tings!
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:38 am
by wub
LUCKY_STRIKE wrote:
ummmm, your just not very good with cubase then.
Cubase is another level compared to FL. it just is.
It wasn't the right workflow for the way I like to work.
I gave it 18months and still couldn't get a proper feel for it. FL is more intuitive for the style that I have I guess.
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:32 am
by dj $hy
Its deffo a marmite thing isnt it.
I was taught on QB so for me its natural. As Wub said he installed FL8, 15mins later had a drum n bass patteren. It takes me the same ammount of time to get something down. With templates you really can just open n start but its again what you prefer.
QB4 is THE ONE. Finally EQ's you can use! Routing with power and did I say bout the EQ's lol
My only issue is on my Virus TI I have the option of 3 x USB outs but my DAW only shows on output. I've checked my output in QB but nothing seems wrong. Anyone else had this problem?
Wub I'm glad you found your perfect match buddy! As I'm sure everyone has said its down to you n how you work.
ITs not what you use its how you use it!
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:16 am
by MARCHMELLOW
DJ $hy wrote:Its deffo a marmite thing isnt it.
I was taught on QB so for me its natural. As Wub said he installed FL8, 15mins later had a drum n bass patteren. It takes me the same ammount of time to get something down. With templates you really can just open n start but its again what you prefer.
QB4 is THE ONE. Finally EQ's you can use! Routing with power and did I say bout the EQ's lol
My only issue is on my Virus TI I have the option of 3 x USB outs but my DAW only shows on output. I've checked my output in QB but nothing seems wrong. Anyone else had this problem?
Wub I'm glad you found your perfect match buddy! As I'm sure everyone has said its down to you n how you work.
ITs not what you use its how you use it!
$hy i have the exact same problem, cubase 4 is sooo boom! BUT for some reason i should have 3 virus outputs, and i only see 1??? i can't for the life of me work it out, PLEASE let me know if you do! i hope you've been playing with atomizer... oh my days that is FUN!! "
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:30 pm
by deadly_habit
take time and learn em all (except reason shit sux
)
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:51 pm
by __________
blah blah blah another daw thread, amazing.
use what program you want. its not the program that is good or shit, its you and how you approach that program and how logical the process of beat-making in that program seems to you
Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:32 pm
by fuzz_2k
cuebase all the way 4 me!!!!!!
just got to get to know it....
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:35 am
by Tangka
Legendary wrote:My workflow on FL8 is pretty fast I have been getting down drums, bass and atmosphere and that down in a hour half/hour and spending A LOT of time getting it mixed down proper, tweaking automation and that, the update to the sequencer is top notch. Ive tried Reason and now having a go with renoise, I dunno FL is just best for my work flow, I can use Reason and Renoise pretty well just FL is my baby
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Well there's the thing right there
You will spend DAYS trying to get a good mix down in Fruity whereas you could just mix all the seperate channels down into seperate wavs and port them into cubase, which is MUCH better and faster for the mixing / post production process.
Dont restrict yourselves. Take the best of both (or all) worlds.
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:18 pm
by picleweasel0
I always flit between different DAWs but i go back to Fruity Loops because that was my first DAW and because ive worked with it longer i know it better
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:43 pm
by slothrop
Earthling wrote:You will spend DAYS trying to get a good mix down in Fruity whereas you could just mix all the seperate channels down into seperate wavs and port them into cubase, which is MUCH better and faster for the mixing / post production process.
What's different about it?
I've never really played the field in terms of DAWs, so I don't really know much about what the differences are, I just found something that pretty much works for me (EnergyXT) and stuck with it...
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:40 pm
by feasible_weasel
I love Pro tools
with reason 4 on rewire and its godly
You feel like your a proffesional on that program.
fl's amazing for knocking out some beats in a hurry
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:48 pm
by silentk
im on FL7 atm, i have tried cubase and reason but don't like either. only problem is, im about to use a music tech course, during which i'm going to be restricted to cubase SE 3 for 2 years, it's a bit dawnting
only problem i have, is FL's pattern sequencing can sometimes get a bit annoying when compared to cubases more traditional sequencing method.
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:53 pm
by feasible_weasel
SilentK wrote:im on FL7 atm, i have tried cubase and reason but don't like either. only problem is, im about to use a music tech course, during which i'm going to be restricted to cubase SE 3 for 2 years, it's a bit dawnting
only problem i have, is FL's pattern sequencing can sometimes get a bit annoying when compared to cubases more traditional sequencing method.
it will be good though
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:58 pm
by silentk
feasible_weasel wrote:SilentK wrote:im on FL7 atm, i have tried cubase and reason but don't like either. only problem is, im about to use a music tech course, during which i'm going to be restricted to cubase SE 3 for 2 years, it's a bit dawnting
only problem i have, is FL's pattern sequencing can sometimes get a bit annoying when compared to cubases more traditional sequencing method.
it will be good though
hopefully, u done anything similar?
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:22 am
by Steve AC23
boyd wrote:forensix (mcr) wrote:boyd wrote:Haven't come across templates in cubase before (only got it recently), how do they work?
Cubase has been a bit of a bitch to work on but I find it better than reason and fruity having demoed them before. Though there are things that I feel should be simple that are bloody annoying to do, like assigning effects to midi tracks where you have to find a secret passageway. And even just volume mixing if you've got a load of vst's involved, the mixer turns into a metre long nightmare. I'm probably missing some shortcuts though, got a lot to learn..
To make a template create a new project and insert all the channels, fx tracks, eqs, group tracks etc that you normally use and save the project as a template then when you start a new project you can select your template
The mixer has buttons on the side to hide the midi tracks/audio tracks/instrument tracks this helps reduce the size of the mixer I normally click off the midi tracks
To assign effects to VSTi is easy go to the channel view at the left hand side of the screen open the insert panel under the instrument name and select a plug in
Thanks a lot for the help man.
Re mixer - I have hidden midi but my problem is using battery for drums, so trying to locate my kick for example will mean finding one channel out of a million sitting there doing nothing labelled battery something.. and because I use a different battery for each bit of the drum kit there are countless battery channels showing in the mixer with only about one in 20 actually doing anything. If any of that makes any sense. I see there's an option to hide channels marked as hide (or something), but I can't see how to mark the channels to hide them!
Re effects on VSTs - the method you describe is cool for audio tracks but not midi, the inserts list doesn't have any of my own effects plug-ins. I have to go into the mixer, try and locate the channel I want and click edit to then add the effect.
You only need one instance of Battery open.
In Battery
Click File --> Options.
In the bottom right corner click Audio Outputs and change to your desired outputs.
Close.
Click on your drum hit and goto the Effects Tab.
In the bottom right corner, select the channel you want to go out to.
Look in your mixer to see all the Battery outputs firing away
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Sometimes it doesnt register properly and I found a restart of a Cubase and a new Project to make it all show up in the mixer.
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Re: VST Inserts.......your clicking on the wrong "e".
You need to click the bottom one, not the MIDI.
You don't have to go into the mixer
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:13 am
by feasible_weasel
SilentK wrote:feasible_weasel wrote:SilentK wrote:im on FL7 atm, i have tried cubase and reason but don't like either. only problem is, im about to use a music tech course, during which i'm going to be restricted to cubase SE 3 for 2 years, it's a bit dawnting
only problem i have, is FL's pattern sequencing can sometimes get a bit annoying when compared to cubases more traditional sequencing method.
it will be good though
hopefully, u done anything similar?
nope...........but learing ang daw extensively will make you better
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:53 am
by .klimaxx
i'm using fl8 and cubase 4 and it's great for me!
i honestly don't know why everyone is saving up for them - get them free!
i'm still in college, so how the fuck do they expect me to pay £1000 for something like that?
seriously, i suggest you guys just download the illegal versions like i did, and use the spare cash to buy some decent hardware to help your workflow.
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:35 am
by sunnyb
Fl For producing
Cubase for recording
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:18 pm
by martello
.klimaxx wrote:i'm using fl8 and cubase 4 and it's great for me!
i honestly don't know why everyone is saving up for them - get them free!
i'm still in college, so how the fuck do they expect me to pay £1000 for something like that?
seriously, i suggest you guys just download the illegal versions like i did, and use the spare cash to buy some decent hardware to help your workflow.
I bought Cubase 4 and as I know it is not cracked yet...?
Well, who cares
Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:51 pm
by slothrop
I tend to buy my software because it supports the small developers who are doing good and interesting stuff. It's not actually that expensive if you get over the "you must have every bit of Steinberg / NI / Waves / Korg software out there or you will never write a decent tune" brainwashing.
Same reason I buy vinyl rather than downloading radio or myspace rips, really.
Earthling / anyone else: I'm still interested in how much difference the host makes for mixing - so long as you have a sensibly arranged mixer and decent plugs, I can't see how much difference it'd make tbh.