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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:28 pm
by echo wanderer
The Wiggle Baron wrote:Ranking full stop by The beat is one of me favourite tunes ever! Some cracking ska out there, from aaall over. Nuff wicked jamaican roots style stuff that I reckon could be called ska, and its the absoloute dogs. The whole 2-tone thing im for the most part a bit divided over though, theres a huge list of tunes that are nothing short of amazing...but at the same time theres also alot of crap, and so much stuff that I actually find a genuine disliking for as opposed to just not giving a shit.
Then, the whole third wave ska/punk stuff. Hmm
Never know what to think tbh, listening to it now it is very much for the best part truly awful, however, used to love the stuff back in the day, and I swear down the atmosphere at a ska night can be just amazing. People are so genuinely into the music, its wicked. But...I just cannae stand it cap'n
Fuull stop! Mi ranking full stop! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
I can play that tune.I used to play in ska bands though.
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:30 pm
by echo wanderer
Pon di left 'and side!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:13 pm
by slim
Nothing wrong with it! Although i do get pissed with people who think ska extends to reel big fish or whatever. Or who describe ska as "like punk and reggae". Just like i get pissed when people forget dubstep came from garage. Yep, i sound like a grumpy old fucker.
But seriously, the first load of ska out of jamaica is absolutely brilliant, even though it's usually recorded on one or two microphones, and the drums are barely audible, there is so much soul in there. Plus, double bass and three-piece harmonies make me smile inside.
2tone is also amazing, love the darker edge to it, but really can't get into the selecter at all.
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:19 pm
by kamala
yes.
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:21 pm
by misk
kamala wrote:yes.
she knows! beat me to it too...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:43 pm
by jahtao
Ska is amazing, raw, infectious 'good times', grab-a-gal type music. That I regularly rock in my kitchen on the weekend. The 60's jamaican stuff.
That 80's Two-Tone era stuff is another animal completely. Good. But not as good IMHO. Specials lyrics are wicked, Madness, much as I love some of their hits, are vile, try their greatest hits - its dodgey... total blaggers if you ask me.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:54 am
by echo wanderer
Slim wrote:Nothing wrong with it! Although i do get pissed with people who think ska extends to reel big fish or whatever. Or who describe ska as "like punk and reggae". Just like i get pissed when people forget dubstep came from garage. Yep, i sound like a grumpy old fucker.
But seriously, the first load of ska out of jamaica is absolutely brilliant, even though it's usually recorded on one or two microphones, and the drums are barely audible, there is so much soul in there. Plus, double bass and three-piece harmonies make me smile inside.
2tone is also amazing, love the darker edge to it, but really can't get into the selecter at all.
I hate it when people think reggae predated ska.
Reggae,Dub,and Dancehall came from Ska.And a large part of Disco,Techno,House,DnB,Garage,and Dubstep came from Dub.Not to mention it's impact on Punk,Post-Punk,Industrial,and Shoegaze music.Dub was originally a technique in Reggae music that became it's own genre.It is the only recording technique that has ever achieved this.And on a lot of levels,the idea of deep,heavy bass(Reggae players tuned down to get this effect;ie:Robbie Shakespeare) with steady danceable riddims comes from Dub.I mean,it goes far deeper and before all this,but I hate when people act like Garage begat Dubstep exclusively,but forget that Garage is very Dub influenced in itself.And it's even more apparent in Dubstep when you consider the halfstep and sub bass was being done by Reggae and Dub artists way back in the early 70's(see Rockers which was between Ska and Reggae).Most steppers weren't even born yet.In fact,the "Dub" in Dubstep comes from,well...Dub,and the "steppers" comes from,well,Steppers,which is a Reggae Dub term for a certain style of 4x4 Reggae(a blueprint for both Disco,and later Techno).Even half of the so-called "Dubstep slang" terms comes from Patois,not just South London slang.
I may or may not be older than you(35 now,36 in a couple months),but I'm probably far more grumpy than you!
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:59 am
by dubluke
Echo Wanderer wrote:Pon di left 'and side!
echo can we please have a whole thread dedicated to pictures of you being a G? i am
them muchly (bare homo)
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:00 am
by dubluke
also blizz boy why an earth would it be wrong to like it?? wonderful stuff - skank on son!
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:14 am
by slim
Echo Wanderer wrote:Slim wrote:Nothing wrong with it! Although i do get pissed with people who think ska extends to reel big fish or whatever. Or who describe ska as "like punk and reggae". Just like i get pissed when people forget dubstep came from garage. Yep, i sound like a grumpy old fucker.
But seriously, the first load of ska out of jamaica is absolutely brilliant, even though it's usually recorded on one or two microphones, and the drums are barely audible, there is so much soul in there. Plus, double bass and three-piece harmonies make me smile inside.
2tone is also amazing, love the darker edge to it, but really can't get into the selecter at all.
I hate it when people think reggae predated ska.
Reggae,Dub,and Dancehall came from Ska.And a large part of Disco,Techno,House,DnB,Garage,and Dubstep came from Dub.Not to mention it's impact on Punk,Post-Punk,Industrial,and Shoegaze music.Dub was originally a technique in Reggae music that became it's own genre.It is the only recording technique that has ever achieved this.And on a lot of levels,the idea of deep,heavy bass(Reggae players tuned down to get this effect;ie:Robbie Shakespeare) with steady danceable riddims comes from Dub.I mean,it goes far deeper and before all this,but I hate when people act like Garage begat Dubstep exclusively,but forget that Garage is very Dub influenced in itself.And it's even more apparent in Dubstep when you consider the halfstep and sub bass was being done by Reggae and Dub artists way back in the early 70's(see Rockers which was between Ska and Reggae).Most steppers weren't even born yet.In fact,the "Dub" in Dubstep comes from,well...Dub,and the "steppers" comes from,well,Steppers,which is a Reggae Dub term for a certain style of 4x4 Reggae(a blueprint for both Disco,and later Techno).Even half of the so-called "Dubstep slang" terms comes from Patois,not just South London slang.
I may or may not be older than you(35 now,36 in a couple months),but I'm probably far more grumpy than you!
I get you entirely, man, wasn't implying reggae and dub had nothing to do with it, just to clarify. I would agree with you, technically speaking, most modern popular music has something at least to do with reggae. It's hard to believe how much of an influence such a small and seemingly insignificant island has had on the world (although you also have to take into account the influence latin, african, US and other caribbean musics had on reggae, so they are somewhere in the musical genome so to speak)
And as for influence, big ups for mentioning Robbie Shakespeare, that guy changed the way i look at a bass. Used to be in a band, pissed everyone off by playing super-low rhythmic lines when they were all trying to play a fast rock song.
Also got to have some love for rocksteady, around for such a short period of time, but some beautiful music was made.
And as for the grumpiness... i'm 19... plenty of time to catch up
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:43 am
by kidlogic
Misk wrote:kamala wrote:yes.
she knows! beat me to it too...
You are both wrong. Ska is life. Ska got me here from there...
All about all ska to me from the og Skatalites to newer third wav pop-punk stuff like Less Than Jake and the Bosstones.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:51 am
by echo wanderer
kidlogic wrote:Misk wrote:kamala wrote:yes.
she knows! beat me to it too...
You are both wrong. Ska is life. Ska got me here from there...
All about all ska to me from the og Skatalites to newer third wav pop-punk stuff like Less Than Jake and the Bosstones.
Noice.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:00 am
by dr ddd
kidlogic wrote:Misk wrote:kamala wrote:yes.
she knows! beat me to it too...
You are both wrong. Ska is life. Ska got me here from there...
All about all ska to me from the og Skatalites to newer third wav pop-punk stuff like Less Than Jake and the Bosstones.
And you are very right, monsieur skabaconlogicbot...
which reminds me:
a) i am waiting on that ska archive still that broke from the superbelle sessions
b) i heard rumours of a renegade session while i was asleep a couple nights ago - ur fired
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:14 am
by kidlogic
dr ddd wrote:kidlogic wrote:Misk wrote:kamala wrote:yes.
she knows! beat me to it too...
You are both wrong. Ska is life. Ska got me here from there...
All about all ska to me from the og Skatalites to newer third wav pop-punk stuff like Less Than Jake and the Bosstones.
And you are very right, monsieur skabaconlogicbot...
which reminds me:
a) i am waiting on that ska archive still that broke from the superbelle sessions
b) i heard rumours of a renegade session while i was asleep a couple nights ago - ur fired
Renagade Session should be up soon... it was very last minute. I may do another this week...
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:29 am
by concept_
where
did you get that
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blank
exppression
on your face
this is one of the best records to slip on when you are getting HIGH with your friends- its been tradition with my mates to put this on the player while getting lean/drunk and sing along since we were about 15.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:56 am
by pdomino
Like what you want to like.
Get in touch you northern monkey
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:02 am
by donkey
This 3rd generation ska-pop-punk stuff I really don't like, and it's a complete bastardisation of the genre 'ska' as 'r&b' now is.
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:10 am
by dr ddd
yeah, but donkey, you eat grass and poo on your own hind legs - what do you know?!
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:10 am
by BaronVon
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:13 am
by donkey
dr ddd wrote:yeah, but donkey, you eat grass and poo on your own hind legs - what do you know?!
obviously more than a dr.