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How can they find that unaccessible Ozeb? Surely when a room of 400 people is going mad for a pull up the onlooker will wonder what they're missing out on, and come to understand.



NB Im not for mad mad pull ups of tunes in raves, there is a thing as too many, but last at the last DMZ the vibe was BIGGLE.

"If the crowd is pineing ya better start rewinding".

You are probably right... though we are not quite at 400 person parties yet - but they are on their way I can feel it!

Who was it earlier in the thread that said "just don't pullup during a blend"

I think that's they key for sure.

Completely agrred on that point, its just rude and ends up sounding messy.

Been listening to the music for the last five years, but only attended my first dubstep night a month ago, and it was all wicked, but the pull-ups seemed to be more mc led than crowd based. When every third tune gets pulled, does rather make me wonder what the point of it all is.

Don't get me wrong - crowd were feeling the tunes, but they wanted to dance and that's the best appreciation for a tune in my book. Most of my mates seem to find it a bit tired to be honest.

Mind you I might have to start looking into this, I can make a shit mix disappear with the right mc support

I've found that many people use rewinds as advertising.

example: you have a new track and its pretty cool but if your just mixing with flow it could easily go unnoticed. If you rewind it once or twice everyone will get to hear the drop a couple times and since the dj is rewinding it then it MUST be a wicked track. How many of the ppl at a dmz are budding dubstep dj's? Which tracks are they going to remember the next day or a couple months from now when they can buy the tracks. Are the gonna buy the one the went by smoothly but unnoticed, or are they gonna buy the one that was played a couple times and everyone went off to it?

They wont necessarily buy it just because some dj played it and it got the rewind, but they are 100% more likely to remember it when it does come out and the reaction that it got. And that is what will will give that track an edge over other tracks when your purchasing.

I think it's just clever marketing

And that's obviously not the main reason for rewinds but i think its a reason that they wont be going away any time soon unless everyone hates them.

Rewinds are cool generally...and when a tune gets multiple rewinds its usually cos its having a massive impact. But I'm in the 'less is more' camp myself.

Its pretty obvious when the crowd want a rwd, but the worst ones though are when some swag MC calls for one even when the crowd aren't that hyped and just want to keep moving. More DJs should resist when MCs call...thats why they are called selectors.

The best thing about dubstep rewinds - which is unheard of in jungle these days - is the cheeky DIY rewind as championed by Skream

Jubscarz wrote:

sapphic_beats wrote:

Jubscarz wrote:gO BACK TO HOUSE WITH YOUR SUPERSTAR DJ SHIT. DJING AINT A TING ITS JUST THROWING A FEW RECORDS ON YEAH. DONT MUG YASELF.

at the end of the day, it's just makin records go round...yes. but some of us actually like the mix, the flow, the composition and just generally makin something new out of a coupla records. to each their own...ya know? it doesn't mean we're trying to be "superstar djs". it's just a personal thing about how we enjoy hearing the music or presenting the music.

but...if ultimately half the crowd wants to hear the rewinds, but half the crowd thinks they're annoying as piss? at some point you really are alienating half yer audience. what then?

90% of the crowd wants rewinds everytime Ive been to a dubstep night seen? No alienation yet.

if there's one defining point about dubstep inna rave its the crowd participation, you get nothing like it elsewhere. In summation I dont get your point, surely it IS about the superstar deejay ethos, FUCK *forgetting your point and what you was gonna say depreciation*

i think we will have to agree to disagree on the "superstar dj" point. i know how i like to hear music, and that's not gonna change.

some folks have made some good points tho. don't rewind in a mix, let the crowd drive the rewinds (not the mc), and i would add one more: if the crowd is really goin off and really groovin, don't interrupt the flow for a reload. it's the interruption of the flow, whether as a dj or a part of the crowd, that makes me absolutely livid.

BunZer0 wrote:

sapphic_beats wrote:i have a love/hate relationship with rewinds.

yep its a Uk/Jamaican soundsystem thing most of the people hate it or just dont understand a rewind in belgium (ragga dnb or dubstep rewind...)

It relates to dancehall culture - at most ragga nights I have been to you are lucky to get more than 45 seconds of a tune before its pulled or the MC decides to talk to the crowd - its a bit different I suppose cause often the deck controller is on the mic also...

One reason I like the rewinds is that I think it keeps the crowd awake and stops them from getting too far into that "tranced out" state that seems so popular in clubs.

Once people get like that it seems that they are "having their own party" and not interacting with the rest of the crowd anymore.

But I love to hear good mixing too so don't shout at me !

K

I think I love most of the tracks played and mostly the interaction of the crowd. Most on the board come from the club backgroud of "don't train wreck". Dubstep gives you that "this track is great feeling"; and yes, you remember the track, you know how it begins and sometimes how it ends. I always said that, " if the selection is right" you can rock a party with one deck. Call and Response, the name of the game; it started with rock & roll, on to reggae, which birthed hip hop and then to the jungle D&B heads. Rewinds are an essential part of dubstep culture. Rember that hip hop is a subculture, not a musical genre you believe it to be today, right now dubstep is a subculture and years from now it will be a musical genre. When dubstep becomes a musical genre, with out the subculture; you'll be able to listen to it watered down and clean, without the "rewinds". BTW; if you don't believe a person can rock an all night party with one turntable; just ask JAH SHAKA

Logos wrote:the cheeky DIY rewind as championed by Skream

what that then?

i have always had a strict no-rewind policy in effect. comes from spinning house music i guess... it's all about FLOW. if you're going to reload a tune, you'd better do something cool like mix in a track right away, or else it's just killing the vibe of the set right at a peak energy level, imo

Too many rewinds is a no no- breaks up the flow of the set, means you have to listen to loads of BORING intros (actually this might just apply to modern dnb haha), means the DJ doesn't get to play as many tunes and in dnb at least the rewinded tunes are always the same ones...

Buuuut- if the crowd wants it like at mala/loefah last DMZ then puuuull up you bumbaklat simbaklat mufasaklat raas fass arse.

House music's g*y. Long live the rewind!!!! Espescially the BUMBAWHEEL!!!! Some of you seem to think its a new thing when its a tradition hotdammit. Don't give a raas, but it does confuse me and I usually carry on dancing while its being taken back.

ifp wrote:

Logos wrote:the cheeky DIY rewind as championed by Skream

what that then?

It's true! How do you usually do it? : On automatic? people say the joksest things on the internet, myself included

obIwan wrote:

ifp wrote:

Logos wrote:the cheeky DIY rewind as championed by Skream

what that then?

meanin skream runnin up to the decks, while someone else is djing, and pullin up the record playin cos he thinks there should be a rewind - guilty!

Haha Geiom did that to Loefah recently, but it was more impressive because he had to duck under this screen thing, lunge over the deck and not break anything. Maximum respect.

I take it if I did this at DMZ I'd have grooves cut in my face and have my face rewound nuff times.

yeah not so big on the diy rewind. it ALL about the audience participation, in my eyes.
thats one of the things that makes dubstep so quality i think, and thats what will keep it so fresh.
yeah, and harkening back to soundsystem culture, thats big for me too.

Rewinds are pointless, instead of playing the same track 3 times in a row why not just play 3 different tracks. There's enough amazing dubstep tunes being made at the moment that the DJ's must have enough wicked stuff to play without rewinding the same thing over and over. Dubstep is already going the way of drum n bass with its "dubplate pressure this track won't be out for 3 years bollocks" REWINDS PISS ME OFF!

Got nothing against rewinds in principle as they can be used to great effect - dubstep is at it's best at a dance when there's that element of audience participation, and if a tune is huuuuuuge and the crowd want it again...then take it back!

But yeah, they can get a bit tiresome if it's MC driven ('who says rewind?!?') or if it's disrupting a good flow. DJs and MCs have got to read the crowd, innit. Rewinds work really well on the odd occasion...but every tune or every other is too much