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LittleRedRaver wrote: It may be a boring policy, however a semi secure policy while gaining some sort of grounding. Who says they may not take risks later in the label life, I think its great people are willing to take a risk and put different music out there (lol) but at the moment I would think they would be silly to take a risk with a beat they didnt think was gonna get the sales! but hey ho each person to their own

thats totally sound logic. Given the way music industry is its good idea to give your label a good chance to succeed.

But people taking risks is exactly why we have sounds like dubstep. People started puttin dubstep out when there was no forum or big fanbase for it. Thankfully i'd say that was very much a risk worth takin... coz this whole scene has evolved from that.

Its important there are some labels pushin something different. For me it keeps things interesting keeps the fuckers on their toes creatively

an yea back on point i haven't noticed any massive difference in sound quality with thinner vinyl.

i do prefer a big meaty slab of wax tho

Most records are much thicker now compared to when i first started buying them.
I agree there is no point releasing music that isnt going to sell anything though, its simple common sense.

Alan_ wrote:the diff is that with thicker vinyl you can cut thicker grooves and get a louder track, and the thicker grooves will maintain integrity longer.

i wud say thats a myth?!

orson wrote:

Alan_ wrote:the diff is that with thicker vinyl you can cut thicker grooves and get a louder track, and the thicker grooves will maintain integrity longer.

i wud say thats a myth?!

i would say thicker grooves giving a louder track is a myth, tho there maybe some truth saying that they would take longer to wear out. of course the height of the grooves has nothing to do necessarily with thickness of the vinyl.

orson wrote:

Alan_ wrote:the diff is that with thicker vinyl you can cut thicker grooves and get a louder track, and the thicker grooves will maintain integrity longer.

i wud say thats a myth?!

Thats not even a myth, it's nonsense.

When you cut a tune onto a master laqcuer for vinyl manufacture it's exactly the same process wether the tune ends up being pressed onto flimsly or thick vinyl.

E.G.... You aint gonna get a louder cut by telling the mastering engineer your pressing onto thicker vinyl.

The thickness of the vinyl is dependant on the pressing plant used and the press.

If you want thinner records e.g 120g or thicker 180g when your pressing vinyl sometimes ask for your preferance depending on the plant, usually it's random and personally I don't care as long as it's a good sounding record, sound over thickness!!(slight preferance of the two would be thicker over flimsy because I've had a few old brittle flimsy house/techno records snap when used as air conditioning) .

A record could be pressed at an inch thick but it aint gonna sound no better or louder, just more sturdy.

All the talk of thicker vinyl takes longer to wear out is also rubbish.

Also just because a record has been pressed on flimsy vinyl it doesn't mean the label is cutting corners or the pressing plant...

Where plants cut corner though is through using crap quality vinyl to make the records.

E.G... using a lot of regrind vinyl and little virgin vinyl.

Regrind is old vinyl grinded downand virgin vinyl speaks for itself really.

Top plants like Independant, R.I.P worked the other way round and made top quality records.

Crap quality vinyl used to press can give you more surface noise maybe, pops + crackles etc.

just got some of my old and dusty battlebreaks out of the shelf . . .
[eg. the ultimate battle weapon]

These vinyl seems to have a much nicer touching surface . . .
but it sounds crap [its a battlebreak]

Anyone know what they do to get the feeling the good battle breaks have ?
I would love a vinyl with the touch of a battlebreak and the sound of most new 12"s . . . is that doable ?

Chef: thanks for clearing up all this 180 grams is always better nonsense!

Chef wrote:

orson wrote:

Alan_ wrote:the diff is that with thicker vinyl you can cut thicker grooves and get a louder track, and the thicker grooves will maintain integrity longer.

i wud say thats a myth?!

Thats not even a myth, it's nonsense.

chefal comes correct !!

DMZ are pressed at 180g i would suppose... love the quality of those plates...

orson wrote:

Chef wrote:

orson wrote:

Alan_ wrote:the diff is that with thicker vinyl you can cut thicker grooves and get a louder track, and the thicker grooves will maintain integrity longer.

i wud say thats a myth?!

Thats not even a myth, it's nonsense.

chefal comes correct !!

yup. I asked a good buddy about this who's a mastering engineer by trade about this, and he got a good laugh out of it.