Page 2 of 2
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:22 pm
by corpsey
Joe Muggs wrote:djake wrote:everyone knows to take what u read off wikipedia with a pinch of salt anyway.
and most of it is just opinion, lol
Sadly that just aint true. From bitter experience I've seen how many mainstream articles are written from Wikipedia "research", and once a fact is out there it's really difficult to persuade people that it's not "fact". In general this may not be a great problem but what if some vindictive Wiki edit about you got quoted in an internationally-read newspaper? Would you be happy with that?
I can never believe it when you see a reference in a book/article citing Wikipedia... If anything it makes me question whatever it's being used to support more lol
Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:14 pm
by geiom
clarkycatDealer wrote:look i like craig david, does that mean my music is not dubstep? if so , good.
Craig's new tune (sort of a rework of the classic 'bump and grind' lady saw vocal) is sick. it sounds a bit too bright and overcompressed, true, but its big still.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:20 am
by kaini
Blackdown wrote:hey kaini
this seems a little extreme and i'll stay out of the formalities of the wiki inner workings: that's your domain. but i can say this on the musical angle.
whenever one new genre evolves out of another, as dubstep did out of UK garage/2step, there's a period when something new is definitely going on but it's unclear what one name will be used for it.
"nu dark swing" was one such term proposed by kode9 in 2000/01 ish yet it didn't go on to be the final genre name. while it does have resonances with the early era of dubstep (swing connects it back to 2step garage), it isn't a separate genre to dubstep.
that help at all?
thanks a lot for your comments martin. i've replicated them at the article talk page for "dark garage" (that sound is the "merge" alarm going off) - it's not citable material but you've been documenting this stuff for long enough and props for that. big help on the article. there are admins aware of the situaton now anyway, so it's all gravy from here
also we branched tonight lol! we now have
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dubstep_musicians
as well as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dubstep
moving up in the wikiverse
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:43 am
by yong
kaini wrote:well, i'm the guy who generally maintains the article, so yes, it does
would you like interested parties to learn that dubstep was inspired by craig david? (extreme example, i know
)
So are you the one who originally removed my name from the list of dubstep artists?
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:53 am
by ashley
yong wrote:kaini wrote:well, i'm the guy who generally maintains the article, so yes, it does
would you like interested parties to learn that dubstep was inspired by craig david? (extreme example, i know
)
So are you the one who originally removed my name from the list of dubstep artists?
By the looks of it, it lists only names that have had a noticable impact on Dubstep as a whole.
I am sure later on down the line those who edit wikipedia will cut some slack and allow people to put their own names down. Also the current people listed actually sprout off to more areas and have complete profiles with a short biography and some external links.
Wikipedia isn't a whoring method of self-promotion but documentation.
Well done kaini and anyone else, looks good
I have no idea how wikipedia works in terms of editing etc, but I am glad some people out there are doing a good job!
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:29 pm
by kaini
Ashley wrote:Wikipedia isn't a whoring method of self-promotion but documentation
exactly. there are guidelines like WP:V and WP:R that decide what does or doesn't get to stay. if you just type those terms into the wiki searchbox you can read all about it.there's also WP:AUTO, about writing articles about yourself (you can, very carefully, but it's discouraged to be honest). yep, there are a lot of policies
my thoughts would be if you're going to add to that list, don't just add a link, write the article as well. but read the policies first. or drop me a line on my talk page over there if you need a hand.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:08 pm
by jolly wailer
websites citing websites citing websites - 21st century scholarship at its best
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:09 pm
by blackdown
kaini wrote:it's not citable material
need me to say it again on Pitchfork?
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:13 pm
by ory
I still don't see what the problem is here.. nu dark swing is an alternate name for dark 2-step, which dubstep evolved from.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:14 pm
by kaini
hahaha, i'm tempted
it would make a big conflict of interest thingy, so nah it's cool.
the big question i guess is does nu dark swing/dark 2-step need its own article, or should it be part of the 2-step article. also that this guy is imposing big, big POV on some elements of the article. i just started the thread to have a moan really
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:14 pm
by jolly wailer
I was gonna say something to that affect too but I won't speak for man
seems a bit pot kettle to complain about some guy who is actually writing a book contributing to your wiki pages when all you're doing is "replicating" someone else's work
did someone say something about writing an article themselves?
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:19 pm
by kaini
they're not 'my' pages in any way.
the problem with this editor is to do with POV, poor english, and unwillingness to work with others
can o worms
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:24 pm
by jolly wailer
fair enough. didn't really mean to single you out.
I mean there are pitchfork articles cited elsewhere, and I don't know the full score, I was just concerned that credit was cited properly...
wiki is a blessing and a curse
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:26 pm
by ory
kaini wrote:the big question i guess is does nu dark swing/dark 2-step need its own article, or should it be part of the 2-step article
Should have its own little section in the 2-step garage article I think, it was never a big enough movement to warrant its own page.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:27 pm
by kaini
no probs man
half the bleedin article is built around martin's stuff and the wire magazine. it would be, to be frank, fucked without those
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:03 pm
by jolly wailer
surprised you haven't checked out Steve Goodman's articles
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:06 pm
by autonomic
kaini wrote:half the bleedin article is built around martin's stuff and the wire magazine. it would be, to be frank, fucked without those
there's always
all of this, including the one where nu-dark swing is coined
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:59 pm
by kaini
well, problem editor got blocked for a bit for using multiple accounts and shit.
autonomic wrote:kaini wrote:half the bleedin article is built around martin's stuff and the wire magazine. it would be, to be frank, fucked without those
there's always
all of this, including the one where nu-dark swing is coined
yeah there's a few riddim.ca cites in there as well. also, i just used your awesome transcription of a great wire article to
start fixing up the article on 2-step. sorry about the wikicode.
i feel another spell of massive wiki edit frenzy coming on, and a new project
i'd love to see this one expanded to the size and quality of the dubstep article. i want to see
at least one of these fuckers on the front page some day, preferably soon.
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:38 pm
by convert
Sounds like a pain in the arse but surely is this not a massive inherent problem with sites such as wikipedia?
good luck with the cause none the less man!