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LOMAX wrote:CDJ's are shit unnless u really love carrying around 2 tons of bulky equipment that cost 1000's of pounds.

Oh, and shit loads of CD's. which are shit quality compared to uncompressed wave's which weigh nothing.

First, who the fuck carries their CDJs around with them unless they are a pub / mobile disco type DJ? Second, CDs are 44.1k, 16 bit audio, good enough unless you're an idiot who burns 96k mp3s to cd. Most .wavs you buy on the net are only CD quality. They also DO weigh something because they have to be on a hard drive or something. Third, most clubs have CDJs now, so you just plug in your phones, slot in your first tune and away you go (unless some serato bod has unplugged them from the mixer by accident). Compare that to hurriedly fiddling around with laptop, dongle, and the back of the mixer before the previous DJs last tune comes to an end and getting it all wrong so it doesn't work. CDs are much better in clubs than serato. I use CDs and I take one rucksack which is about 20% full with headphones and a small wallet of CDs which has enough tunes in it for my purposes. For home / radio use serato is ok though, as long as there isn't any lag on it which will fuck up any scratching you might want to do.

Vinyl is for collecting and playing oldskool sets.

Who needs porn in a club? I'm not about to start having a wank in front of everybody mid-set

Not getting personal Lomax, but that's the way I see it

To be fair, Dubstep seems to be all about the vinyl and legal downloads... so vinyl decks and Serrato seem like a decent bet, unless you want to spend your whole life burning cds.

I'm tempted to go Ableton + Controller or something though... I'll just have to hide what I'm using from the trainspotters

setspeed wrote:well that's certainly the first time i've seen someone rate a CDJ's functionality based on how much it weighs!

First time ive seen someone rate their laptops on how well they handle porn and serato simultaneously

I'm suprised so few people have said that vinyl is the way forward on a dubstep forum. I was under the assumption that vinyl is kind in dubstep, just as in drum&bass!

TEQH wrote:

setspeed wrote:well that's certainly the first time i've seen someone rate a CDJ's functionality based on how much it weighs!

First time ive seen someone rate their laptops on how well they handle porn and serato simultaneously

I think the point is that the laptop set-up costs half the price and can do alot more than play cds.

There is not one advantage in getting cdjs.
If you are mixing at home then by a laptop, its cheap and does bare other stuff.

If the club you are playing at only has cdjs fine, you can burn cds on ur laptop.
If they dont have cdjs, fine, you can plug in ur serato.

either way, spending money on cdjs urself makes u a complete mug. (unless u own a club)


I was a bit harsh on the cdjs when it come to porn. U can play audio-only porn on them.

audio porn, the best kind of porn

LOMAX wrote:

manray wrote:Bare dumbness in this thread. Who the fuck cares how much a pair of CDJ's weigh?

Please don't tell me how you've mixed 40 million hours without a single problem because what I've just said is a pure fact.

I care how much they weight cos playing at mates house's who only have decks or at squats or whatever, on holiday and shit. I can't drive either.

A laptop can burn cd's too. so if they aint got decks then jobs a good'un.

Oh and I've played 40 million hours without a single problem.


and please don't over look the price and porn arguments, they are key.

ok, so for your particular situation CDJs aren't what you need. but how exactly does that translate to "CDJs = Suck"? a good DJ will know how to play on CDs, vinyl and digital. that's pretty much the long and short of it. I've not even been DJing that long and I can do a well enough job with just a laptop... I can't even hear the mix before I drop it in because I only have one sound card.

that said, the pioneer 1000s are really nice CDJs and I would purchase them when I get the chance. they can be mounted right about the 1200s with enough room for a laptop on the side.

black lotus wrote: "CDJs = Suck"?

yeh they are too expensive for what u get that is all.
serato + laptop does everyting cdj does and more for half the price.

if i win the lottery maybe i'd get some.

but i'd still be a mug.

LOMAX wrote:

black lotus wrote: "CDJs = Suck"?

yeh they are too expensive for what u get that is all.
serato + laptop does everyting cdj does and more for half the price.

if i win the lottery maybe i'd get some.

but i'd still be a mug.

like i said, a good dj will be able to mix on anything without having a preference.

I've managed to learn CDJs just while playing out.. I do have serato but managed to fuck the mini-usb input so you have to have cable half in-half out until any noise below 150 hz makes it come out!

black lotus wrote:

LOMAX wrote:

black lotus wrote: "CDJs = Suck"?

yeh they are too expensive for what u get that is all.
serato + laptop does everyting cdj does and more for half the price.

if i win the lottery maybe i'd get some.

but i'd still be a mug.

like i said, a good dj will be able to mix on anything without having a preference.

yeh i the badman when it comes to using them.
I just wouldn't be stupid enough to waste my money on them.

my preference is for all things that arent a waste of money.

Vinyl or Torq time encoded vinyl for me. I could never get totally used to CDJ's.

Lojik wrote:I'm suprised so few people have said that vinyl is the way forward on a dubstep forum. I was under the assumption that vinyl is kind in dubstep, just as in drum&bass!

this.
plus one thing you cdj heads havent mentioned which i have seen people encountered in clubs/venues:

EVERY vinyl turntable works the same way.
put the needle on the record, adjust the pitch.

dont even try and say that the same with cdjs.
every cdj on the market is different to the next, theres no way they all work the same. different jog wheel sensitivities, different number of seconds skipped for each press on the skip button.

if you learn to play on cdjs at home, and get good enough to play in a club, there WILL be problems when you come to play out, simply becauser your electronics work differently to their electroncs.




you just dont get this with plain old records!

OhMyDays wrote:Im about to get some new decks because the old shit ones have had it and i wanna dedicate more time purely to Dubstep Now, Which is all good but my mate who is a house dj here and there is telling me if im willing to drop a grand or two i should get CD decks just for the versatility and apparently their 'the future' you think hes got a point? or is he just pushing his Techy Bullux onto me,

I like the idea of the quality and some the new ones can do everything and more compared to vinyl but still i dunno . . .

Wow, no offense, but I can't believe anybody is still undecided on this subject ...

Lojik wrote:I'm suprised so few people have said that vinyl is the way forward on a dubstep forum. I was under the assumption that vinyl is kind in dubstep, just as in drum&bass!

when people started talking about cdjs being too bulky and cd's being too heavy

i figured it would be best to steer clear of this fucked up thread

oh, and ohmydays, let me clue you in on something

dubstep is house

TightLife wrote:if you learn to play on cdjs at home, and get good enough to play in a club, there WILL be problems when you come to play out, simply becauser your electronics work differently to their electroncs.

any decent club will have CDJ1000s though.

i find maybe one in 15 clubs have something else - usually CDJ800s which are close enough anyway...

I only use vinyl for several reasons. First of all i like to see what is going on (following changes in the groves etc), and maybe more important, as said earlier: not two club CD's are the same, and I'm having a hard time figuring them all out too the point where I can mix as good on them as on decks.

As also pointed out earlier; a good DJ are able to play well on everything, but for the lesser experienced, like myself, vinyl is a safe choise.

Regarding the money isue, I love vinyl just enough to want to support the artist who chooses this medium. Furthermoore, if you get money from jobs, some of those ought to go to the artist, via vinyl purchases. Reasonable system?

I don't think CD's are the future, they are just some too-long lasting fashion thing.....

Vinyl's the best. I like vinyl 1000x more than serato or cd's or anything digital. However, cd's are the future hands down.

fiziks wrote:Vinyl's the best. I like vinyl 1000x more than serato or cd's or anything digital. However, cd's are the future hands down.

what is the argument for CDs??