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darkmatterUK wrote:

£10 Bag wrote:sample Loefah

don't be afraid to steal people's drums.

that is not only weak, its also pretty lame

why encourage someone to do that when their time could much better spent actually learning how to create their own heavy drum hits

just where exactly is the satisfaction in ripping someone else off?

Ripping someone else off? Where do you think other people get their samples? The whole music industry isnt full of honest people sitting about creating their own snare hits. Electronic music relies heavily on using samples from other people.

Nothing at all wrong with taking a kick from one tune, a snare from another, adding some bass and synths of your own and chucking in some percussion from a sample pack with some fx youve got from a film or something.

^

Agree!

And to bring a parallel - a painter does not do chemistry to get some paint.
He can but not essential.

EDIT: i do not mean using samples straight from released track and using them...

B-LAM wrote:hmmmm it's not about sampling within a scene IMO

yeh this.

jackieboi wrote:

darkmatterUK wrote:

£10 Bag wrote:sample Loefah

don't be afraid to steal people's drums.

that is not only weak, its also pretty lame

why encourage someone to do that when their time could much better spent actually learning how to create their own heavy drum hits

just where exactly is the satisfaction in ripping someone else off?

Ripping someone else off? Where do you think other people get their samples? The whole music industry isnt full of honest people sitting about creating their own snare hits. Electronic music relies heavily on using samples from other people.

Nothing at all wrong with taking a kick from one tune, a snare from another, adding some bass and synths of your own and chucking in some percussion from a sample pack with some fx youve got from a film or something.

no, producers aren't necessarily sat at home recording their own snare drums, but the snares used most come from other genres: dub, funk etc
the producer is re-contextualising them, making them into something new. That is a creative process, whereas taking an existing dubstep snare and putting it into your own dubstep track is not.
Part of the reason (imo) that grime instrumentals got boring is that the same sounds were being used again and again.
Amen break is another example. Thank god there are some dnb producers using different breaks now.

If you want to sound the same as everyone else then go for it, but no-one goes far as a producer/musician without stretching themselves and creating something REALLY new. I would put money on my guess that none of the great dubstep tunes that came out this year featured samples from other dubstep tunes (unless they were a rmx...).

layering is the best way to get snares, and kicks sometimes too...
+ your making a sample that no one else will have so...its totally yours
unless someone samples it, which im sort of against, unless they are layering other samples on it to make something new (again)

god does that even make sense?!

jackieboi wrote:

darkmatterUK wrote:

£10 Bag wrote:sample Loefah

don't be afraid to steal people's drums.

that is not only weak, its also pretty lame

why encourage someone to do that when their time could much better spent actually learning how to create their own heavy drum hits

just where exactly is the satisfaction in ripping someone else off?

Ripping someone else off? Where do you think other people get their samples? The whole music industry isnt full of honest people sitting about creating their own snare hits. Electronic music relies heavily on using samples from other people.

Nothing at all wrong with taking a kick from one tune, a snare from another, adding some bass and synths of your own and chucking in some percussion from a sample pack with some fx youve got from a film or something.

the guy comes on here and says, can you help me to make my drums stronger

and is adviced to just use drums straight off an idustry standard professionally mastered tune

hardly the feedback he was looking for im sure

im fully aware people are sampling others tunes and have been for years, its just not for me

^^^I'm with you

I'd never sample from another producer

especially one in the same genre

I'll gladly use drum samples seperated out in a sample pack tho

FSTZ wrote:^^^I'm with you

I'd never sample from another producer

especially one in the same genre

I'll gladly use drum samples seperated out in a sample pack tho

abso fuckin lutely mate, there was a thread about this last week sometime, "most sampled music" i believe it was called

fair enough each to their own - i would have absolutely no qualms about taking an existing sample from a dubstep tune to make another dubstep tune - i dont see how someone taking a snare from an exisiting dub, metal, rock or pop tune would differ from taking one from a dubstep tune - its got nothing to do with "re contextualising" anything.

Surely what matters is that what you achieve sounds good and isnt too obvious to spot. If done properly no one would even notice that you had copied a snare from another well known tune.

jackieboi wrote: Surely what matters is that what you achieve sounds good and isnt too obvious to spot.

yea its all about achieving good sounds. but your taking excellently produced drums and using them as your own, wheres the achievement?

lets face it, sample pack drums (as single hits) hardly capture the imagination, but when carefully layered, eq'ed etc, you start getting somewhere, and i for one certainly feel as though ive achieved something by doing it that way

Ive processed snares and someones said. "thats snares nice" so ive sent them it.... I guess I am breaking unwritten dubstep laws?

If you're blatantly just going around and nicking peoples drums then you should try an rethink your process - but I honestly don't see no harm in sampling a snare or a kick or a high hat just cause you like it and might try and use it - as long as you layer / fuck with it and not just plonk it into your tune just cause you know its mastered and that and you probably won't have to treat it that much..

Legendary wrote:Ive processed snares and someones said. "thats snares nice" so ive sent them it.... I guess I am breaking unwritten dubstep laws?

If you're blatantly just going around and nicking peoples drums then you should try an rethink your process - but I honestly don't see no harm in sampling a snare or a kick or a high hat just cause you like it and might try and use it - as long as you layer / fuck with it and not just plonk it into your tune just cause you know its mastered and that and you probably won't have to treat it that much..

exactly. Nothing wrong with taking someone elses and making use of it so it becomes your own. I would always do some sort of processing to a sample that i had swatched from another tune.

darkmatterUK wrote:

jackieboi wrote: Surely what matters is that what you achieve sounds good and isnt too obvious to spot.

yea its all about achieving good sounds. but your taking excellently produced drums and using them as your own, wheres the achievement?

lets face it, sample pack drums (as single hits) hardly capture the imagination, but when carefully layered, eq'ed etc, you start getting somewhere, and i for one certainly feel as though ive achieved something by doing it that way

Surely the achievement would come from the tune as a whole. If your not letting yourself enjoy your own music because of a snare that isnt yours then you need to be locked up you fruitloop

compress that fucker with a relatively high ratio and a slow attack (i.e. 10-50ms)

seems to work wonders for hard hitting snares.

jackieboi wrote:
Surely the achievement would come from the tune as a whole. If your not letting yourself enjoy your own music because of a snare that isnt yours then you need to be locked up you fruitloop

if the disco rekkah snare had sounded like a fart i don't think anyone would have bought it

Seriously though, I guess it comes down to perfectionism; as a producer I make sure that every part of my tracks is as close to perfect as I can get it given the gear I have and my current skill. Not just jack a loefah snare and sit back as people praise me on my tight snares.

jackieboi wrote:Surely the achievement would come from the tune as a whole. If your not letting yourself enjoy your own music because of a snare that isnt yours then you need to be locked up you fruitloop

who said anything about me not enjoying my own music? lol

as for snares that arent mine, i work purely from sample packs and give the drums i find in those packs my own twist, same as most other producers.

never have i once stolen a single drum or any other element from somebody else's piece of music

jackieboi wrote: i dont see how someone taking a snare from an exisiting dub, metal, rock or pop tune would differ from taking one from a dubstep tune - its got nothing to do with "re contextualising" anything.

Have to disagree with you here (again lol I'm not trying to pick on u!), but if you're sampling a dub snare it's often not just because you like that particular sound (obviously can't prove this doesn't happen some of the time but still), but because it lends some of that existing dub vibe to the track you use it in. You appreciate the track differently because it reminds you of dub. Context of samples is important. Why else would non-rastafarian producers put 'jah' vocal samples in their tunes?

Misk wrote:compress that fucker with a relatively high ratio and a slow attack (i.e. 10-50ms)

seems to work wonders for hard hitting snares.

Yeh this can work a charm on some snares!

I personally dont do it, but also dont see much wrong with it.

In the garage scene (where dubstep grew from) people were constantly borrowing each others hits and even whole drum loops. Take "Same People Dangerous" as an example, all the beats in that tune are from the kellyG mix of "Tina Moore never let you go" (although they are re-arranged), then theres the Antonio hypefunk snare, that was used in loads of other tunes. Then you had "KP i need a rhythm" which used the whole drum loop from "NnG right before my eyes" i could go on for ages with these examples but i'll stop here

I dont think its bad as long as you're creative with it, as all the tracks mentioned above are now considered classics in that scene