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Jeer wrote:

My point being, on most shitty decks where the torque sucks bumhole and the pitch doesn't even hold, you fall into bad habits where you find yourself adjusting a mix by pushing the platter and/or the record itself. You get into the habit of locking mixes this way.

But then the minute you get onto a pair of Technics you realise this just doesn't work. The motor is too strong and the platter just doesn't respond to your finger pushing the way your old shitty decks did. So you have to start from scratch and relearn how to mix: ok, the principals of beatmatching should stay with you, but the technique will have to change.

Hence why Technics are the only way forward in my opinion when it comes to decks.

But, in all honesty.

FUCK THAT.



..is where it's AT!

felixGash wrote:

Jeer wrote:

My point being, on most shitty decks where the torque sucks bumhole and the pitch doesn't even hold, you fall into bad habits where you find yourself adjusting a mix by pushing the platter and/or the record itself. You get into the habit of locking mixes this way.

But then the minute you get onto a pair of Technics you realise this just doesn't work. The motor is too strong and the platter just doesn't respond to your finger pushing the way your old shitty decks did. So you have to start from scratch and relearn how to mix: ok, the principals of beatmatching should stay with you, but the technique will have to change.

Hence why Technics are the only way forward in my opinion when it comes to decks.

But, in all honesty.

FUCK THAT.



..is where it's AT!

i'd rather do the torq/traktor scratch/serato thing with techs.

At home I've got a pair of Stanton T60's D:
but when I play out or at my mates it's either on Technics or the high end Numark ones, sometimes Vestax
Yeh I notice a difference, but saying you have to relearn how to mix is a bit....exagerated.
It's just another technique

You can't be going everywhere, then bitching about your mixing skills not being good just cause the torques not as you've been used to. IMO Chill your beans and take it in your stride, if you're any good at mixing or using technology you'll nail it no problem

got to disagree this time felix.
once you crack a shitty set of decks you can mix on anything.
the same princible apply.

felixGash wrote:

Brasco wrote:once you crack them you can mix on anything

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think that's the case at all. It's like saying: once you're able to control your 1.6 Fiesta doing 100mph on a main road, you can do the same on a big lorry.

Just not true.

I understand that there are differences between Direct drive brands and that you would need to adjust slightly to if changing, but surely bottom line if you can cope with the unresponsiveness and slipping of belts, you should be able to work with most d.d turntables and find it takes less time to lock a mix....

if my numarks were a car they would have been a robin reliant with 2 wheels... when i got my first proper car driving felt alot less stressful!

Jeer wrote:but saying you have to relearn how to mix is a bit....exagerated.

...

It's just another technique

Ok.

frebentos wrote:got to disagree this time felix.
once you crack a shitty set of decks you can mix on anything.
the same princible apply.

I'm not saying you forget what "mixing" is, but if you read my post above (beautifully illustrated with a beautiful CDJ-1000mk3. Mmmm..) you're see what I'm getting at.

Anyway. Bottom line: Technics should be your real only consideration. No less because of how cheap you can pick them up for these days. That's all I have to say.

I kinda get what your saying. I started on Technics so when ever I go on belts Im too heavy handed and Im all over the place.

Its just what you get used to.

The majority of places will have Technics when playing out BUT you may as well go the CD route.

Same argument applies, industry standard Pioneers are the ones but you might like different CD decks, preference aint it.

PS I got some gold 1200's for sale, 600 QUID

Get Technics man... I struggled on a pair of Lineartech (they were the fake technics back in the day, doubt they even still exist) for about a year and a half and it really set me back when I got started.. When I played my 1st show I'd never been on Techs and although I was pretty sharp in my bedroom on my fake ass decks I ended up blowing it big time.. it was a pretty big crowd lol.. Took me a while to prove myself out again and get back in the game..
Buy a used pair of technics, bring a homie that knows whats up to have a look at them and make sure they aren't beat to death before you buy. If you can score a pair less than 5 years old that don't look busted all to hell chances are they'll work just fine.


Anyhow, I guess what I'm wondering nowdays if someone does get decks if they should try learning on vinyl 1st v. Serato or Traktor or whatever. I would think it would be smart to learn on good ol' records as to get the feel for the whole thing without the visual aid that hose programs offer. They didn't have all that when I was a kid lol.. But I swear by Serato now, it just makes life easier.

What Step Correct^^^ said.

Plus you can always sell a pair of 2nd hand 1200's for pretty much what you bought them for if they're in good nick: everyone's a winner. Loads of bargains on ebay, more especially as the credit crunch takes hold, lol.

Always listen to some of your own tunes on 2nd hand decks before you buy, quickly check the pitch with the strobe, platter for wobble/rubbing/level etc. Make sure the tone arm assembly is all good/level etc.

....bet....then immediately start saving for your new pair. Nothing like a fresh pair of decks out the box.

1200/1210's are standard, so you can't really go wrong with these. However a higher pitch range and more torque is always good. I bought Numark TTX's some years ago and sold my Techs. Can't complain except that one TTX shit the bed twice (could repair it myself though). I would love to buy a Vestax Controller One but I'm not as much into cutting as I used to back in the day.
There are also some good OEM turntables that are based on the Stanton ST-150, I think Reloop makes one and some others. Names like Numark, Reloop, Gemini etc. might scare you away and make you think they're cheaply made (as they were until some years ago) but these companies have learnt as well and they have some really competitive gear nowadays that is not worse than your industry standard 1200.
You may also want to check this link for some gear reviews: http://www.skratchworx.com/reviews_turntables.php
Techs will always sell well, no matter how old they are. When I sold mine, they were easily 10 years old (bought em used) and I even made considerable profit. That's most likely not gonna happen with a PDX or TTX

Well i got a pretty much box fresh set of 1210's, very very tight compared to others that i've played on and all for £250 with a PX of my old stantons.

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Back in the day. Check the mans advice, Benny Ill is a proper ledge you know. Knows his shit!

The difference between Techs and Numarks, or some other inferior brand, is the difference between Automatic and Manual transmission IMO.

Yea, the same traffic laws apply, but you have a lot more to pay attention to. I learned to drive on a manual transmission, but when I got a vehicle with an automatic, I was still reaching for the shifter and taking my eyes off the road when there was nothing there but an E-Brake.

So at that point, I still maintained the habit of keeping my hand there where the shifter once was. Same with Techs tbh... you pick up habits. Sure you can drive with ease still, but you are looking for that extra bit of work you used to have to do and it is no longer there. You feel naked really. Sure you are liberated and can now pay less attention to the sound of your own engine. But that is the entire point. Being in control.

Surface_Tension wrote:The difference between Techs and Numarks, or some other inferior brand, is the difference between Automatic and Manual transmission IMO.

Yea, the same traffic laws apply, but you have a lot more to pay attention to. I learned to drive on a manual transmission, but when I got a vehicle with an automatic, I was still reaching for the shifter and taking my eyes off the road when there was nothing there but an E-Brake.

So at that point, I still maintained the habit of keeping my hand there where the shifter once was. Same with Techs tbh... you pick up habits. Sure you can drive with ease still, but you are looking for that extra bit of work you used to have to do and it is no longer there. You feel naked really. Sure you are liberated and can now pay less attention to the sound of your own engine. But that is the entire point. Being in control.

well semised.

Honestly, Technics all the way.

I use SL-1210M5Gs.