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benga uses it as well. i saw it in a video tutorial. he makes his beats in fl then brings them into logic to make them actually sound good. because for real fl is great for drum patterns but your not gonna be mastering in there.

anyone stateside or otherwise snag the fl studio bible
got one for like 10$ with one of the discount coupons guitar center sent me

would stop alot of the topics on here

Deadly Habit wrote:anyone stateside or otherwise snag the fl studio bible
got one for like 10$ with one of the discount coupons guitar center sent me

would stop alot of the topics on here

I have it in pdf form, payed - $0

And as for the fruity loops discussion i use it and love it.

I think it is basically all about what VST/VSTIs you have.

Some Examples that i use:
EastWest Adrenaline
EastWest Colossus
EastWest VaporEastWest Drum kit from hell 2
Zero-G Phaedra
Camel Audio Alchemy
Absynth
Fab Filter Twin 2
Future Audio Workshop Circle
Rob Papen Albino
Ogun
Multiple Ohmforce VSTs and VSTi
dblue Glitch
and many more...

like others have already said its all about how you use it.

jason burns wrote:benga uses it as well. i saw it in a video tutorial. he makes his beats in fl then brings them into logic to make them actually sound good. because for real fl is great for drum patterns but your not gonna be mastering in there.

fl is fine for mixing

Tomassive wrote:

jason burns wrote:benga uses it as well. i saw it in a video tutorial. he makes his beats in fl then brings them into logic to make them actually sound good. because for real fl is great for drum patterns but your not gonna be mastering in there.

fl is fine for mixing

Yes and mastering should be done by someone else anyway

Hurtdeer wrote:it's got rubbish synths

sytrus is i think the most underrated synth out there, just noone has a clue how to use it...

I find producing in fruityloops then maybe bounce to pro tools for a final master / mixdown.

Brisance wrote:No way, it's all about Microsoft Soundsmith!

pfft, songsmith blows. all the cool peeps use simtunes

Sytrus is actually a really great synth... Most newbs are just intimidated by the FM Matrix or all the little switches. If you think FL comes with rubbish plugins, play with the simple ones like Wasp and 3xOsc first and then you will appreciate Sytrus.

You can mix down in FL just fine.. There's plugins for compression, limiting, eq etc to stop peaking and "master" a track. You don't have to use it like Benga using a seperate DAW. Some artists like doing that because it gives more control over the mixdown. It also gives you less control over the parameters of the synth parts of the track that you can program to respond to changes.. etc if that made any sense

its up to you to make a noise

ahh well it doesn't really matter anyway. those who know, know and those who don't..


are missing out

Hurtdeer wrote: Automating external vsts came off as incredibly fiddly- at least through the only way I knew how (by going through the browser, locating the generator list, selecting what part of the right plug-in I wanted to automate, etc), and it being in a different window to the piano roll never really clicked with me. If there was a much easier way of going about it, well, I guess I missed it :I

There is a much easier way. Just move a control and then open the plugin wrapper menu and select "last tweaked parameter". There's plenty of options in there for automation including "edit events in piano roll".

my opinion, if you have no ideas and passion, every daw will be sound crappy

Personally I used to use the old-skool fruity, when It was just a drum machine with loads of dope features, then drop the results into a DAW for tracking.

As soon as it tried to become a DAW itself I feel it spread itself too thin.
To be fair though I've not used it for at least 3 or 4 years, so it could have all that shit ironed out.

I've heard RUDE things come out of it (or at least built around it)

I wanna get the old skool version again to use in Ableton Live

Re Fruity for production + Cubase for mastering (and yeah, we're talking 'bit of spit and polish before sticking it on myspace' type mastering here rather than 'who needs Dubplates and Mastering when you've got me and my cheap monitors') - the internal effects are probably better in Cubase (I've not ised either but they seem to have a good rep), but are they better than you could buy as plugins for the price you pay to get cubase? I mean, if you're using third party plugins it basically doesn't make any difference which DAW you load them in, especially since you won't be spending too much time doing in depth midi editing or using live performance features or whatever...

nowaysj wrote: If logic were on pc, I'd switch, though! But on the mac, you're paying roughly an extra 3k for the hardware, and another 1k for the app. Thats a lot of money. I'd rather spend 4k on vst instruments and effects.

Musicians and producers, despite their attitude are herd animals and follow the pack like a bunch of mofo's, I think thats why you see everyone working on a mac (but most developers developing for pc).

Macbook Pros start at 2k (around the same price as a similarly equipped Dell laptop) and Logic is less than $500.

What pack? Last time i checked PC had upwards of 85% of the market share.

collige wrote: Macbook Pros start at 2k (around the same price as a similarly equipped Dell laptop) and Logic is less than $500.

What pack? Last time i checked PC had upwards of 85% of the market share.

I just checked... you could get a dell laptop with 4GB of RAM instead of 2GB, and a 320 GB harddisk instead of a 250 GB, almost as powerful CPU (dualcore) as the one in the cheapest Macbook Pro. Well, the graphics card werent as powerful as the one in the 2000$ Macbook Pro, but it were 1100$ cheaper... And that was the cheapest dell... i dont know any other stores in the US to check out, but i'm sure you could find something even better to a lower price than the macbook pro.