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just use fruity parametric EQ 2 so you can see where its peaking

Paradigm X wrote:

gravity wrote:arrange in a certain way so that the bass and kick never conflict.

worth its weight in gold.

never tired this... can't see it working for me, but will give it a shot...

i really like using my kicks to accentuate the attack on the sub normally

It is dangerous to follow statements like "always hp kick at 80hz".
It all really depends on the song, the key of the kick's fundamental, the key of the bassline, etc. It is usually good to hp a kick at least around 20-30hz because we really can't hear that low rumble and it may eat up a lot of headroom in the mix.
To clean up some muddiness it is useful to hp the low harmonics, but careful not to cut out the fundamental frequency. Also a much more useful habit would be to hp all the elements in the mix that conflict with the bass and the kick. It is amazing how much low frequency is present in something like high hats.

I would also recommend either sidechain compressing the bass with the kick and low cutting things like reverb which will muddy up the low end.

Proper mixing is not a formula but a big picture understanding of frequency clashing, masking, and headroom.

High passed kicks sound weak to me, obvs you don't want the lower frequencies to conflict but a useful tool would be sidechaining

D+ is on the goddamn money.

the best low-end management is usually the simplest. if between your sub and your kick it takes 20 plugins to make things work... start fresh.

not a fan of hipassing kicks unless there's a ton of sub in there that doesn't need to be in there. but yeah, a kick needs punch in 30hz or else it sounds rinky dinky.

gkmusic wrote:High passed kicks sound weak to me, obvs you don't want the lower frequencies to conflict but a useful tool would be sidechaining

what about compression to fatten it up?

When I do house techno tracks I generally use quite a few different kicks in the track. Also, I make all my own kicks so I can precisely control the frequency in which the the kick is sitting. I'll sometimes have up to 4 different groups for just the kick drum. Also, always mix your kick separately from the rest of your drums.

I never ever ever high pass the 909 style kicks. Never. Most of the time in house the kicks are where all your weight is. Trying to split them up or high pass them is probably going to make it sound shitty. However, I will hi pass sampled kicks from real drums that I overlay over the main kick.

If I'm not using an 808 style bass line (that I also made), I high pass the bass. Like if you're using a 303 style bass, a square bass or something along those lines. High pass the bass and set up a sub bass channel to use with the bass when the main kick isn't hitting to supply those low frequencies. Kicks in house and kicks in dubstep are handled totally different, generally.

I suppose you could hi pass the kick if you had a sub channel setup. But, that probably won't sound as good as just leaving the main 909 style kick alone to do the heavy lifting. As I said before I usually have multiple kicks in a track. Such as a kick (or combo of 2 kicks) on 1, a kick on 2 to go with a snare, a kick on 3(sometimes the same as 1) and usually the same kick as 2 on 4. Sometimes I'll make a kick with a real long tail and give it a pitch bend mid way through to simulate a bass line.

fiziks wrote:When I do house techno tracks I generally use quite a few different kicks in the track. Also, I make all my own kicks so I can precisely control the frequency in which the the kick is sitting. I'll sometimes have up to 4 different groups for just the kick drum. Also, always mix your kick separately from the rest of your drums.

I never ever ever high pass the 909 style kicks. Never. Most of the time in house the kicks are where all your weight is. Trying to split them up or high pass them is probably going to make it sound shitty. However, I will hi pass sampled kicks from real drums that I overlay over the main kick.

If I'm not using an 808 style bass line (that I also made), I high pass the bass. Like if you're using a 303 style bass, a square bass or something along those lines. High pass the bass and set up a sub bass channel to use with the bass when the main kick isn't hitting to supply those low frequencies. Kicks in house and kicks in dubstep are handled totally different, generally.

I suppose you could hi pass the kick if you had a sub channel setup. But, that probably won't sound as good as just leaving the main 909 style kick alone to do the heavy lifting. As I said before I usually have multiple kicks in a track. Such as a kick (or combo of 2 kicks) on 1, a kick on 2 to go with a snare, a kick on 3(sometimes the same as 1) and usually the same kick as 2 on 4. Sometimes I'll make a kick with a real long tail and give it a pitch bend mid way through to simulate a bass line.

u got any tips for this? tried it but didn't get any good results