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haha yeah fair enough. as ever it will be interesting to see what happens!

Neurotik wrote:

Duskky wrote:fidget and bassline sound pretty similar to me and will likely share a similar fate, whatever that may be. Seems to me like if you go all bright and spangly you miss out on what makes dubstep interesting, which is the darkness. that's what made jungle stand out and it's what gives dubstep its soul.

my thoughts anyway...

My thoughts too
Dubstep has depth and substance which is what makes it so good and interesting.
Bassline, speed garage ect. (aside from being pretty much talentless noise) are just shallow images chavvy sheep waste their adolescant lives trying to live upto.
On that note i'd rather not have anything more like that adding to the shroud already covering the real music thats left around today.

The way I see it too is that Fidget and all that are all sub-genres of house yet they get played to death like they have enough substance to be their own genre. Dubstep is much like DNB where you don't have Liquid DnB or Ragga-style Dubstep becoming their own genres within a genre with every DJ playing it tring to seem different. Dubstep is just Dubstep and you can pick and choose your flavours. If you play Fidget, well everyone knows what to expect.

dubstep and fidget (though i prefer jackin house as a name, cba to argue about whether they're the same, who's to say?) are probably my two favourite genres, yet im not really convinced that they can work fantastically together.

i havent heard herve's ghetto bass yet, though ive been keeping tabs on his tracks and have heard that one that is basically halfstep fidget, and tbh i could do more to feel it.

the two genres i think are just too different. i wouldnt really enjoy skankin to 128 nor jackin to 140. saying that, i'm 100% for the merging of genres, but fidgetstep... not sure. i'd love to be convinced otherwise though.

i love jackin house... but what i've heard from fidget makes me question that.

joey youngman > jackin house
crookers > fidget house

R wrote:joey youngman > jackin house
crookers > fidget house

+1

tghe way I look at it is... if you go back say 19, 20 years you didnt have subgenres, you just had rave music...
where you'd get parties with Carl Cox playing techno next to Grooverider Brain Gee DJSS playing jungle and many many other folk playing whatever they were either making or feeling... but if you looked around no one would really care what it was classed as... the vibe was there...

one thing I've noticed is that with the growth of things like dubstep and specific genres, you get things being re-used, re-worked, re-recognised and re-enjoyed by audiences...

I think on one hand putting things into genres is useful to understand (to some degree) and to organise what we are all listening to but as someone said earlier it is all just music with a BASSLINE... and the minute you start thinking too much about genres you limit yourself in terms of creativity...

I find a lot of people try and create music to fit a genre rather than trying new things...

bassically the way I see it, club music's strongest characteristic is its heavyness of bassline, the wieght of the sound... thinking about the darkness of the vibe or the simplicity of the melody is fine but to quote (i think it was either) Pinch or Joker ''if your chest aint ratlin' it just aint happenin''


p cubby

well a breakbeat is a breakbeat (styles vary, sure, but it's stilll a breakbeat) and can work at any tempo within reason, 120s to 180+.
but a 4x4 beat at 140 is certainly no longer any sort of house, and halfstep at 128 just wouldnt cut the cheese, for me anyway.

genres can be important when you enjoy some of it and not other bits. I don't want to go to a night of cheesy house by accident because the dj's didn't want to classify what they do.

Rubadub wrote:Yeah I think Crookers are alright, pretty good remixers, Herve and Sinden are pretty good too. But it does feel like there's only so far it can go.

Crookers, are one trick pony's. Herve has some serious skill, produces dnb, and even folk tracks...aswell as hip hop...and goes by like 6 to 7 diffrent monikers in dance music currently.... CHECK OUT>>> Dave Taylor and trevor Lovey (A.K.A. SWITCH) blow that boy outta the water too

from wiki -
"The term fidget house was coined by DJ/producers Jesse Rose and Switch, apparently as a joke"

good fun music, not a great deal of depth to it tbf, music for the clubs.

i have a mix in my blog of this stuff -
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =465913588

it's pitched up quite a bit

Duskky wrote: well look at it this way:

jungle had to turn into dnb to get massively popular -> basslines get higher, rhythms simpler, hooks more obvious and familiar (cheesy?)

Jungle didn't turn into anything.

Jungle disappeared when the heavy Ragga influence broke away and got into the blossoming U.S Garage scene which was blowing up over here in the mid 90's. That's where the awful, awful Speed Garage came in, and where DJ's like Zinc actually blew up

Zinc: 1995 - Super Sharp Shooter - JUNGLE

Zinc: 1999 - 138 Trek - SPEED GARAGE

Connection wrote: awful, awful Speed Garage

I confess: I kind of like it

And zinc's super sharp shooter is shit compared to ganja kru's

Gotta say I think both super sharp shooter and 138 trek are both stone cold classics.

jack beats = pure illness

contakt321 wrote:In NYC a lot of folks mix fidget, dubstep, old ravey bits and glitch-hop together in sets - get some booze in me and no complaints here.

More DJs should throw in surprising tunes/genres. Variety is the spice of life!

yeager wrote:jack beats = pure illness

true, easily the most ridiculous producers going at the moment. i've seen them twice and never heard such mental beats in my life!