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how many folk on her are cutting there own stuff / m8ts stuff ? - djs that arnt ur skream benga etc big names ?

See-Dee, VyNol, Kahseht (alot of good shit was released on cassette only , EmpeeFree, Flahc, WAhVe
all sorts really...but I'm credit crunched as fuck.

id be interested to know
appart from all the big time dj's
how many smalle time dj's are putting money into cutting dubplates n promoting the smaller lesser known / up n coming artists

Im no big time dj but i like to put all my money into cutting dubplates mostly smalle time artists few bigger names - but i rekon thats the only way any 1s gona take notice

im sick of turning up at dances n hearing a set of the latest releases of chemical or redeye or what ever - any 1 can do that

respect to all the djs doing there own thing
djs who work hard n put there £$£$ into cuting dubs to try promote new talent n not just take the easey option of playing all the latest releases that any 1 could play

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FLAC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec

joni_speedbass wrote:respect to all the djs doing there own thing
djs who work hard n put there £$£$ into cuting dubs to try promote new talent n not just take the easey option of playing all the latest releases that any 1 could play

Anyone can buy tunes, that's a fact, but not many can sling 'em well.

I fail to see how supporting and rewarding an artist/friend for their hardwork by buying their tunes somehow makes someone less of a dj.

Iron Myke wrote:

joni_speedbass wrote:respect to all the djs doing there own thing
djs who work hard n put there £$£$ into cuting dubs to try promote new talent n not just take the easey option of playing all the latest releases that any 1 could play

Anyone can buy tunes, that's a fact, but not many can sling 'em well.

I fail to see how supporting and rewarding an artist/friend for their hardwork by buying their tunes somehow makes someone less of a dj.

weather they can "can sling 'em well" or not aint what dose it 4 me
each to there own like
but a sloppy mix here n there aint the end of the world
id rarther hear a dj take a few risks n maybe mess up occassionaly rarther than just play a generic set thats so seemless its like listening to an all stars mix

n just look at the old school of reggae djs
who dont even try no fancy mixing
eg dj's like mark iration
hardly mixes @ all - its all about the selection - n he kills it every time

im noy saying justy playing all the new releases n crown pleasesers mkes them less of a dj - each to there own

it just inspires me to hear sets that u dont know 1 record @ all
all new dubs
its all bout keeping it fresh imo

joni_speedbass wrote:

Iron Myke wrote:

joni_speedbass wrote:respect to all the djs doing there own thing
djs who work hard n put there £$£$ into cuting dubs to try promote new talent n not just take the easey option of playing all the latest releases that any 1 could play

Anyone can buy tunes, that's a fact, but not many can sling 'em well.

I fail to see how supporting and rewarding an artist/friend for their hardwork by buying their tunes somehow makes someone less of a dj.

weather they can "can sling 'em well" or not aint what dose it 4 me
each to there own like
but a sloppy mix here n there aint the end of the world
id rarther hear a dj take a few risks n maybe mess up occassionaly rarther than just play a generic set thats so seemless its like listening to an all stars mix

n just look at the old school of reggae djs
who dont even try no fancy mixing
eg dj's like mark iration
hardly mixes @ all - its all about the selection - n he kills it every time

im noy saying justy playing all the new releases n crown pleasesers mkes them less of a dj - each to there own

it just inspires me to hear sets that u dont know 1 record @ all
all new dubs
its all bout keeping it fresh imo

But just because you only play released tune doesn't mean you only play croud pleasers does it! Look at oneman, one of my favourite DJ and all though i think he probably cuts dubs now, he started of mixing old garage with new dubstep releases, has tight as fuck mixing, and did something new.

For me you can select good tunes and it doesn't matter if there new, old, unreleased dubs or classics. And more importantly you know when to play what, to take people on a *PONCY OVERUSED TERM ALERT* musical journey.


PS. keighley? i'm from bradford, that kind side aswell.. you playin any gigs in and around Bradford? Add my myspace mate always good to see a local lad init! (see my sig)

hopper wrote:

teknotik wrote:I personally think that MP3s and other downloads are just a stop gap between physical media and something more like Spotify. In the future I don't honestly believe we will actually be storing huge amounts of music ourselves and will most likely have some sort of license or subscription to stream any music whenever and wherever we want. At the moment this isn't much good in a club or on the move, but I'm sure it will be. I'm sticking to vinyl and CD for the time being until it's clear what sort of real lasting technology there is going to be for digital music and then I will think about actually paying for a non-physical product.

not so sure there's a danger of this happening anytime soon, as people like owning things they can attend to at any point. streaming is limited to computer owners with an internet connection, people need music to be a lot more flexible than that so things won't change from what I can see.

I don't think it's especially far away at all on iPhone type mobile devices (although Apple will want to protect iTunes) and I would imagine home stereo equipment with a wireless internet connection that is able to do this isn't far away either. There are already internet radios on the market so a piece of hardware that supports Last.fm or Spotify sitting in your living room isn't out of the realms of possibility. A lot of people use an iPod and dock as their main music source these days and it can't be long before these sort of things connect to your wireless router as a matter of course. That covers everyone except DJs where I guess it will take a lot longer to work like this, but all you would need would be DJ software that supports streaming and a fast reliable wireless broadband connection. I prefer a physical product and a collection I can look at and enjoy, but the idea of being able to access any music at all whenever I want without taking up any physical space (or even space on a hard drive) is mind blowing and extremely attractive to a lot of people. Like this article suggests, we are in a transitional period right now and MP3 / WAV / FLAC downloads are absolutely not here to stay IMO: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 908344.ece

teknotik wrote:

hopper wrote:

teknotik wrote:I personally think that MP3s and other downloads are just a stop gap between physical media and something more like Spotify. In the future I don't honestly believe we will actually be storing huge amounts of music ourselves and will most likely have some sort of license or subscription to stream any music whenever and wherever we want. At the moment this isn't much good in a club or on the move, but I'm sure it will be. I'm sticking to vinyl and CD for the time being until it's clear what sort of real lasting technology there is going to be for digital music and then I will think about actually paying for a non-physical product.

not so sure there's a danger of this happening anytime soon, as people like owning things they can attend to at any point. streaming is limited to computer owners with an internet connection, people need music to be a lot more flexible than that so things won't change from what I can see.

I don't think it's especially far away at all on iPhone type mobile devices (although Apple will want to protect iTunes) and I would imagine home stereo equipment with a wireless internet connection that is able to do this isn't far away either. There are already internet radios on the market so a piece of hardware that supports Last.fm or Spotify sitting in your living room isn't out of the realms of possibility. A lot of people use an iPod and dock as their main music source these days and it can't be long before these sort of things connect to your wireless router as a matter of course. That covers everyone except DJs where I guess it will take a lot longer to work like this, but all you would need would be DJ software that supports streaming and a fast reliable wireless broadband connection. I prefer a physical product and a collection I can look at and enjoy, but the idea of being able to access any music at all whenever I want without taking up any physical space (or even space on a hard drive) is mind blowing and extremely attractive to a lot of people. Like this article suggests, we are in a transitional period right now and MP3 / WAV / FLAC downloads are absolutely not here to stay IMO: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 908344.ece

Worrying this is as far as i'm concerned:

Loss of actual physical product

Loss of having to actually make a investment to buy your favorite artists music, no money directly goin from customer to artist is a bit shit really!

Loss of sound quality

adisize wrote:

teknotik wrote:

hopper wrote:

teknotik wrote:I personally think that MP3s and other downloads are just a stop gap between physical media and something more like Spotify. In the future I don't honestly believe we will actually be storing huge amounts of music ourselves and will most likely have some sort of license or subscription to stream any music whenever and wherever we want. At the moment this isn't much good in a club or on the move, but I'm sure it will be. I'm sticking to vinyl and CD for the time being until it's clear what sort of real lasting technology there is going to be for digital music and then I will think about actually paying for a non-physical product.

not so sure there's a danger of this happening anytime soon, as people like owning things they can attend to at any point. streaming is limited to computer owners with an internet connection, people need music to be a lot more flexible than that so things won't change from what I can see.

I don't think it's especially far away at all on iPhone type mobile devices (although Apple will want to protect iTunes) and I would imagine home stereo equipment with a wireless internet connection that is able to do this isn't far away either. There are already internet radios on the market so a piece of hardware that supports Last.fm or Spotify sitting in your living room isn't out of the realms of possibility. A lot of people use an iPod and dock as their main music source these days and it can't be long before these sort of things connect to your wireless router as a matter of course. That covers everyone except DJs where I guess it will take a lot longer to work like this, but all you would need would be DJ software that supports streaming and a fast reliable wireless broadband connection. I prefer a physical product and a collection I can look at and enjoy, but the idea of being able to access any music at all whenever I want without taking up any physical space (or even space on a hard drive) is mind blowing and extremely attractive to a lot of people. Like this article suggests, we are in a transitional period right now and MP3 / WAV / FLAC downloads are absolutely not here to stay IMO: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 908344.ece

Worrying this is as far as i'm concerned:

Loss of actual physical product

Loss of having to actually make a investment to buy your favorite artists music, no money directly goin from customer to artist is a bit shit really!

Loss of sound quality

I'm not saying I think it's perfect by any means, but I think it's almost inevitably the future for consumers at home. It makes piracy pointless and it does away with storage and compatibility concerns. It will probably be the same for TV and films and things like office software seem to be hinting at going in this direction as well, e.g. some of the stuff Google is doing like Docs. Just accessing everything online as and when rather than physically or digitally storing it at home.

I imagine artists somehow get paid according to the number of times they get played, so just playing a track is contributing.

The sound quality thing is a worry, but I'm not sure think the average listener will notice and many kids will have now grown up with MP3s as their main source of music anyway. I suppose they will be able to up the quality as broadband speeds go up as well.

teknotik wrote:

adisize wrote:

teknotik wrote:

hopper wrote:

teknotik wrote:I personally think that MP3s and other downloads are just a stop gap between physical media and something more like Spotify. In the future I don't honestly believe we will actually be storing huge amounts of music ourselves and will most likely have some sort of license or subscription to stream any music whenever and wherever we want. At the moment this isn't much good in a club or on the move, but I'm sure it will be. I'm sticking to vinyl and CD for the time being until it's clear what sort of real lasting technology there is going to be for digital music and then I will think about actually paying for a non-physical product.

not so sure there's a danger of this happening anytime soon, as people like owning things they can attend to at any point. streaming is limited to computer owners with an internet connection, people need music to be a lot more flexible than that so things won't change from what I can see.

I don't think it's especially far away at all on iPhone type mobile devices (although Apple will want to protect iTunes) and I would imagine home stereo equipment with a wireless internet connection that is able to do this isn't far away either. There are already internet radios on the market so a piece of hardware that supports Last.fm or Spotify sitting in your living room isn't out of the realms of possibility. A lot of people use an iPod and dock as their main music source these days and it can't be long before these sort of things connect to your wireless router as a matter of course. That covers everyone except DJs where I guess it will take a lot longer to work like this, but all you would need would be DJ software that supports streaming and a fast reliable wireless broadband connection. I prefer a physical product and a collection I can look at and enjoy, but the idea of being able to access any music at all whenever I want without taking up any physical space (or even space on a hard drive) is mind blowing and extremely attractive to a lot of people. Like this article suggests, we are in a transitional period right now and MP3 / WAV / FLAC downloads are absolutely not here to stay IMO: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 908344.ece

Worrying this is as far as i'm concerned:

Loss of actual physical product

Loss of having to actually make a investment to buy your favorite artists music, no money directly goin from customer to artist is a bit shit really!

Loss of sound quality

I'm not saying I think it's perfect by any means, but I think it's almost inevitably the future for consumers at home. It makes piracy pointless and it does away with storage and compatibility concerns. It will probably be the same for TV and films and things like office software seem to be hinting at going in this direction as well, e.g. some of the stuff Google is doing like Docs. Just accessing everything online as and when rather than physically or digitally storing it at home.

I imagine artists somehow get paid according to the number of times they get played, so just playing a track is contributing.

The sound quality thing is a worry, but I'm not sure think the average listener will notice and many kids will have now grown up with MP3s as their main source of music anyway. I suppose they will be able to up the quality as broadband speeds go up as well.

na yeah i understand your jsut saying what you think will happen.
Yeah i know they ge tpaid that way through advertising, but still the listener isn't paying anything directly, and to me that means music becomes more disposable, tracks will only be good for a month before new ones come along and the others are "old"

wav isnt goin anywhere cause thats what people record into.

& vinyl isnt goin anywhere, because its cool. and really as a physical product it still has the best longevity & room for art. (not to mention a hundred years of recorded music that is already with us, and aint disappearing)



that streaming stuff will be cool for home people, consumers & whatnot...


but it will never be the only way to get music... ever.

cds, dvds, mp3s and all sorts of compressed anything are on their way out tho...


and for the OP, i usually buy wavs.

I still reckon the streaming idea is a long way off, as things depending on an internet connection is fallible in a few ways, interesting idea but I don't see it happening. I also think that the spotify idea won't be popular with all musicians, as it makes it more difficult to promote your work and get a voice. The world is so far off having a good internet connection available at all avenues that this can't possibly happen in the near future. Should it happen here, then CDs will still be produced in Africa which is a million miles off being able to work with the whole spotify idea. I also feel that some people will always want physical products, and as long as there is demand then there's a market, this is crucial IMO

i actually bought my first digital release a week or two ago, Breakage's "Together" and "Rain". just really couldnt wait for tha vinyl release.


plus having access to so many digital tunes and serato makes me much more lazy at mixing. with mp3s im always concerned with what new tunes people probly havnt heard, and then i end up skipping some really great tunes i have on vinyl.

I'm currently using serato on two turn tables and just snaggin up some 320's for most of my DJing. on the side I've been collecting a good amount of Vinyl every week. for years before getting into DJing, I've sat on hundreds of cd's which would take me forever and leave a hole in my wallet to get on Vinyl. I guess for now I have to just work with both.

who can be fucked dragging a crate (i don't have a record bag) to a club and back? i used to walk for like half an hour at the end of the night with a crate full of vinyl (when i was knee high to a grasshopper, through the snow), no taxis, i dont drive, now i have literally crates and crates of music that i can put into a backpack - and pull out that tune that didn't occur to me before but fits perfectly, not having to worry if i packed it or not

but that being said i often overlook awesome vinyl releases cos i don't bring them with me which sucks - also you can say i'm cheating but i love master tempo - chuck it on and push and pull the tune as much as you want! aweosme when you're drunk

Shaan wrote:

Spire wrote: p digital tunes and serato makes me much more lazy at mixing. with mp3s im always concerned with what new tunes people probly havnt heard, and then i end up skipping some really great tunes i have on vinyl.

word. who can be fucked dragging a crate (i don't have a record bag) to a club and back? i use to walk for like half an hour at the end of the night with a crate full of vinyl (when i was knee high to a grasshopper, through the snow), no taxis, i dont drive, now i have literally crates and crates of music that i can put into a backpack - and pull out that tune that didn't occur to me before but fits perfectly, not having to worry if i packed it or not

haha, ok, thats kind of the opposite of what im saying. im saying digital is bad for me, i think youre saying its good for you.

I think it depends on the person. I know some pretty big DJ's who made the choice of moving to serato due to the lack of responsibility and whatnot. besides the personal preference, is there that much of a difference?

I'm actually very curious.

Spire wrote:

Shaan wrote:

Spire wrote: p digital tunes and serato makes me much more lazy at mixing. with mp3s im always concerned with what new tunes people probly havnt heard, and then i end up skipping some really great tunes i have on vinyl.

word. who can be fucked dragging a crate (i don't have a record bag) to a club and back? i use to walk for like half an hour at the end of the night with a crate full of vinyl (when i was knee high to a grasshopper, through the snow), no taxis, i dont drive, now i have literally crates and crates of music that i can put into a backpack - and pull out that tune that didn't occur to me before but fits perfectly, not having to worry if i packed it or not

haha, ok, thats kind of the opposite of what im saying. im saying digital is bad for me, i think youre saying its good for you.

haha yeah realised that and edited