Dubstepforum.com

Logos wrote:'Breaks' is possibly the worst, most drab, banal genre ever created.

Yes, yes and yes. Agree totally!

pompende wrote:i dont understand this "making dubstep."
when someone like tech itch starts running eight bars of gloomy half step for 7.5 minutes its NOT dubstep coz its NOT quality and the only people that play it out have their tune on the flip.

ooh. ouch. not getting into what's dubstep and what isn't, but if it's rubbish not sure it matters too much. same as the 'is this dubstep?' crew on the production forum - cringe every time i read that sort.

Hate Recordings wrote:

Logos wrote:'Breaks' is possibly the worst, most drab, banal genre ever created.

I'm sceptical.

i thought happy hardcore was the worst, most drab, banal genre ever created?

Happy hardcore has some sense of fun at least. Breaks is just so fucking average in every way. It's what you'd get if you took all the most average bits of every form of dance music and then stuck them all together in a particularly average way.

That said, I've got no problem with producers coming into dubstep from breaks, IDM, trance, bluegrass or whatever. Maybe I'm an optimist, I think they'll all bring some new ideas, some of them will be good, some of them will be shit, and half decent DJ's will be able to tell which are which.

pompende wrote:the only people that play it out have their tune on the flip.

wow, nice one.

i actually like tech itch's tunes on ascension. i play them all the time when im mixing at home. if i were to play out somewhere or record a mix, i would definately put any number of his tunes on the mix. i like what he does.

would you consider elemental's "soulfire" a dubstep tune? i've had people tell me it was breaks, but it's listed as dubstep and dubstep dj's are playing it, innit? where do you draw the line?

pompende wrote: so, it really fusses me to hear about random assholes suddenly "making dubstep" esp when, as far as i can tell (admitting i get almost all info off this forum), they dont interact with the existing scene.

If they don't interact with the existing scene, surely it's not a problem? They release something, a couple of dozen of their fans buy it, scratch their heads and complain that it doesn't sound like the old stuff, and then it vanishes again.

who knows bout 'goose'.. wicked track.. mark ruff ryder used to play that a bit..

rachel wrote:
ooh. ouch. not getting into what's dubstep and what isn't, but if it's rubbish not sure it matters too much. same as the 'is this dubstep?' crew on the production forum - cringe every time i read that sort.

exactly. its whats good that counts, not what section it sits in. defining what is and what isn't dubstep just reeks of insecure insularity and goes exactly against the vibe of inovation that was so prevelant only a year ago.

necta selecta wrote:The Black Dog are trying to make dubstep now i think. Someone told me Plaid too!

now plaid i would like to hear. always loved their stuff but thought it could sound so much better with a bit more beef. hope theirs some truth in that...

rachel wrote:if it's rubbish not sure it matters too much.

true. it does however irk me to have random shit tues floating around under name of dubstep.

rachel wrote:'is this dubstep?' crew on the production forum - cringe every time i read that sort.

get me

narcossist wrote:exactly. its whats good that counts, not what section it sits in. defining what is and what isn't dubstep just reeks of insecure insularity and goes exactly against the vibe of inovation that was so prevelant only a year ago.

im with you man. in my eyes dubstep is quality + community, not certain drum pattern.

Hate Recordings wrote:i actually like tech itch's tunes on ascension.

fair play, not trying to attack anyone's preferences, thats pointless.

Hate Recordings wrote:would you consider elemental's "soulfire" a dubstep tune? i've had people tell me it was breaks, but it's listed as dubstep and dubstep dj's are playing it, innit? where do you draw the line?

adam has been in the scene since day, its a sick tune, so yes it is exactly what i consider dubstep to be. again, im not talking about particular sonic elements.

i hope this conversation can continue objectively, not trying to step on any toes.

pompende wrote:i hope this conversation can continue objectively, not trying to step on any toes.

cool, ez now

oh yes, he makes, breaks and destroys it with the dubstep, it's been a while since I've seen Darin own a genre behind the decks quite like he does with the dubs, catch him on this one if you can. All I'll say is 'Police and Thieves' and 'Ghost Town' will destroy
wish I could be there as thhe rest of the lineup looks ill too.

BOOOO @ everyone dissing breaks


Breakbeat's just natural for me, as I loved Big Beat in the mid-late 90s -
it's got bass, it's got a punch, and creativity... what's not to like?


some artists are tedious (definitely) but its nowhere near as monotonous as Hard/Funky/Tech/Prog/Scouse-House.

Fearless wrote:who knows bout 'goose'.. wicked track.. mark ruff ryder used to play that a bit..

wicked track

Breaks par se I've always found dull and formulaic, but the heavy, dark nu-skool period (say 99-02) had its moments with Freq nasty usually providing them

If he's on the dubstep I reckon it'll be pretty good

Crazydave wrote: Breakbeat's just natural for me, as I loved Big Beat in the mid-late 90s -
it's got bass, it's got a punch, and creativity... what's not to like?

i mix up some dubstep with breaks and grime from time to time.
haven't got a lot of breaks, dubstep or grime so mixing those three up together are a perfect way to keep mixing and keeping it pretty diverse
i should start to order more of these genre's though

It is a similar tempo for mixing though i guess so it may be interesting to hear some influence from that scene in dubstep dj sets.

I used to like breaks when Freq Nasty came out as my interest in jungle was waning and this was a new sound with big bass. And i remember thinking that Mark One tune on Storming (Stargate remix i think) had quite a nu school breaks sound.

I just hope these people can bring something new to the sound rather than taking from it

person 1 "breaks is fucking boring and stagnated banal shit ever done"

person 2 "oh, what have you been listening to then?"

person 1 "uhm.. well, nothing really. i've heard few meat katie tracks"

person 2 "ah ok, never mind."

rjv wrote:person 1 "breaks is fucking boring and stagnated banal shit ever done"

person 2 "oh, what have you been listening to then?"

person 1 "uhm.. well, nothing really. i've heard few meat katie tracks"

person 2 "ah ok, never mind."

LOL

im always interested in good breaks... do you have any recommendations?

elgato wrote:

rjv wrote:person 1 "breaks is fucking boring and stagnated banal shit ever done"

person 2 "oh, what have you been listening to then?"

person 1 "uhm.. well, nothing really. i've heard few meat katie tracks"

person 2 "ah ok, never mind."

LOL

im always interested in good breaks... do you have any recommendations?

tipper, si begg, son of the electric ghost, lawgiverz, klaus, dopamine, kickflip, merka, platinum mules, autobots, hybrid, phat conductor, release records, mr psik, christian j, dylan rhymes, elite force, etc...

what about really deep dark techy hypnotic stuff... kind of like evil9 when they hit their best, like marine parade when they werent releasing average 12s... the line between techno / house / breaks

cos all the stuff i know and like is electro / glitch, but there MUST be some sick stuff on the other borders

Why do we assume that someone from outside the "scene" that makes a tune that might actually be good, is instantly going to be rubbish in comparison to someone from within same scene who might churn out something pretty similar to what they churned out beforehand. If it's got imagination and soul, does this really matter?

Think breaks has got a completely different dynamic to dubstep anyway, so some producers won't get it, and turn out something that will miss the point. They probably won't give a shit though as being big names, more than likely folks will buy it anyway. Probably be seen as one of the great crossover tunes (i.e. that sort of music for people that don't like that sort of music).

Think that it's a complete joke that breaks from funk records, via hip-hop, via big beat, has somehow ended up at the most ploddingly, predictable, soulless, trance-inflected genre on the planet (apart from trance). Was listening to the guy who plays before Shy on Breaks FM and after 10 minutes or so felt like killing somebody.