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KingCannibal wrote:

mad ep wrote:

KingCannibal wrote:

mad ep wrote:

KingCannibal wrote:Broken Note are two people btw.

I have been told this a few times now and I still make the same mistake. Damn...

an easy enough mistake to make.

Too right.

Well, before I make make myself look like a fool for a second time... am I correct in saying that King Cannibal is actually 666 flesh-eating zombies + a mariachi band?

Cos that's what I have been telling people ...

No no, i'm one flesh eating zombie - its just that i've got 666 heads. Your right on the mariachi front though. Just don't forget they are all dressed up as 'El Mariachi'.

Hahahah- see, that's where I went wrong... I did a "head count".

Yo- I got some new bangers to drop to you soon... will email ASAP.

Hope the tour went well!

Sounding horrible is kinda the point with Broken Note. Its supposed to sound nasty and evil. Wether or not you like them, their stuff is pretty virtuosic in terms of craft and production, not to mention uniquely "them". Definitely some of my favorite stuff at the moment.

On a side note, I hate how people say that they are tired of cookie cutter dubstep, but when something goes too far out of their comfort zone, it gets dismissed as being either unrelated or bad. People get obsessed with what a genre should sound like and forget that music, and electronic music in particular, is about trying to make something that is unique. Thats the problem with so many genres, is that they are defined so narrowly that anything that breaks the conventions needs to be classified as a subgenre of a subgenre. Thats how scenes become close-minded and die. The music should be a reflection of the aesthetics of the composer(s) that just so happen to fit within a broader musical context, not the other way around. Otherwise, its all just self-referential wankery.

IDM, Breakcore and all those other ‘cores’ are where the horrible music is. Dubstep was never about screaming distorted noises with 50 layers. I was never much of a fan of DnB but I did hear it quite a lot and the common whine I heard from people was that it went down that horrible noisy path. The music does not sound like it is someone jamming but someone who likes sitting behind a computer for days geeking it up with way too much processing.

By horrible I do not mean dark btw. It takes more than distortion to make a track dark. A lot of this really noisy stuff is missing the most important part, atmosphere! It is just a bunch of sounds stuck on a grid.

Serox wrote:Dubstep was never about screaming distorted noises with 50 layers. I was never much of a fan of DnB but I did hear it quite a lot and the common whine I heard from people was that it went down that horrible noisy path. The music does not sound like it is someone jamming but someone who likes sitting behind a computer for days geeking it up with way too much processing.

I'd rather a young scene progresses out in to all kinds of different territories weather i like them or not, then stay stagnant and safe. That is how interesting music gets made. I love dark nasty stuff but i love the output of people like 2562 too, its the mixture of differing sounds and textures that keeps a scene truly interesting. In my opinion anyway.

KingCannibal wrote:

Serox wrote:Dubstep was never about screaming distorted noises with 50 layers. I was never much of a fan of DnB but I did hear it quite a lot and the common whine I heard from people was that it went down that horrible noisy path. The music does not sound like it is someone jamming but someone who likes sitting behind a computer for days geeking it up with way too much processing.

I'd rather a young scene progresses out in to all kinds of different territories weather i like them or not, then stay stagnant and safe. That is how interesting music gets made. I love dark nasty stuff but i love the output of people like 2562 too, its the mixture of differing sounds and textures that keeps a scene truly interesting. In my opinion anyway.

+1


Interestingly I like the two opposites of the spectrum, either really spaced dub/tech stuff or really banging harder stuff... don't get into the middle of the road sounds a lot unless they are really special.

how can you make music and hate progresion. i do like the old dubstep theo

Serox wrote:
Dubstep was never about screaming distorted noises with 50 layers. I was never much of a fan of DnB but I did hear it quite a lot and the common whine I heard from people was that it went down that horrible noisy path.

Thats what I mean though, when you say that dubstep is about something, you are limiting what it can be. Personally I dont care whether its called dubstep, dubcore, fuckstep, alpacatron, whatever. I get that you dont like it, but then again, they aren't making music for you. I want people to take "dubstep" and push it so far out of the norms that it would be hard to classify as the same genre anymore, but thats my personal aesthetic. There's plenty of dark atmoshperic stuff out there, there's plenty of chill dubby stuff out there, there's plenty of dancey stuff out there. Listen to what you like.

Oh yeah, and IDM... thats where terrible music lies....if it were not for IDM's experiments in the 90's so much of what makes up the musical language of electronic music today would not have been invented. Not all music has to be about someone "jamming" and creating something that is enjoyable on an immediate and traditional musical level. I mean, if we didnt have people geeking out in front of their computers, trying new things, where would we be? Curtis Roads invented granular synthesis in the 70's using a computer he had to program with punch cards and wait weeks for it to render 15 seconds of audio. cant get much geeky-er than that, but he is well respected in the electronic music community. I guess I'm just trying to get across that people should have more open minds when listening to music. 95% of the time, there is something there that you can appreciate on some level, even if you dont like it as a whole. I would think that you would be able to at least hear the amount of care put into crafting and arranging those sounds, even if you see them as just a bunch of sounds stuck on a grid.

KnobGoblin wrote:Sounding horrible is kinda the point with Broken Note. Its supposed to sound nasty and evil. Wether or not you like them, their stuff is pretty virtuosic in terms of craft and production, not to mention uniquely "them". Definitely some of my favorite stuff at the moment.

On a side note, I hate how people say that they are tired of cookie cutter dubstep, but when something goes too far out of their comfort zone, it gets dismissed as being either unrelated or bad. People get obsessed with what a genre should sound like and forget that music, and electronic music in particular, is about trying to make something that is unique. Thats the problem with so many genres, is that they are defined so narrowly that anything that breaks the conventions needs to be classified as a subgenre of a subgenre. Thats how scenes become close-minded and die. The music should be a reflection of the aesthetics of the composer(s) that just so happen to fit within a broader musical context, not the other way around. Otherwise, its all just self-referential wankery.

+ 1,000,000

are pan-flute presets too "in the box" for an alpacatron track?

nova.k wrote:

KingCannibal wrote:

Serox wrote:Dubstep was never about screaming distorted noises with 50 layers. I was never much of a fan of DnB but I did hear it quite a lot and the common whine I heard from people was that it went down that horrible noisy path. The music does not sound like it is someone jamming but someone who likes sitting behind a computer for days geeking it up with way too much processing.

I'd rather a young scene progresses out in to all kinds of different territories weather i like them or not, then stay stagnant and safe. That is how interesting music gets made. I love dark nasty stuff but i love the output of people like 2562 too, its the mixture of differing sounds and textures that keeps a scene truly interesting. In my opinion anyway.

+1


Interestingly I like the two opposites of the spectrum, either really spaced dub/tech stuff or really banging harder stuff... don't get into the middle of the road sounds a lot unless they are really special.

Firstly I don't get why people use these terms like.. "dark" .. "evil" "nasty" "aggressive" for this stuff... Fair play to those who are feeling/making that reesey stuff and exploring with different bassline sounds.


Personally think the whole point of it is to not direct a certain vibe to the track as in.. "THIS is dancey" "THIS is 'evil' " etc.. this where I think the "06 was better" comments come from because it was almost like you made up parts to the songs as you listened to them,one time you could just nod your head and tap your foot and another you proper brock out and these days people kinda false the mood into people.. not like thats a bad thing though its just back then people were exploring and still staying true to .. 05/04 in 06. and now its 09 so its still staying like 08 and progressing from there.. as we're clearly in the 4th wave of dubstep..

Serox wrote:By horrible I do not mean dark btw. It takes more than distortion to make a track dark. A lot of this really noisy stuff is missing the most important part, atmosphere! It is just a bunch of sounds stuck on a grid.

Not a hellova lot to add, but I had to say it: I totally disagree here. I just can't agree that the noisy stuff (be it dubstep, technical&noisy dnb or IDM if you wanna go there) is just "sounds stuck on a grid". Nor do I agree the sounds are horrible, if you're implying nobody enjoys that type of sound (because I definitely do).

There's something very cool about "raw" sounds to me, stuff like broken note and the overly distorted and resampled basslines in a lot of modern dnb just give me that RAAAAR feeling in my stomach :p

pan flutes are really getting played out in the newest alpacatron mixes I've heard. but they just fit so well that I cant really blame producers for totally exploiting the sound. but have you heard the new incastep tracks?! totally blowing my mind!

KnobGoblin wrote:

Oh yeah, and IDM... thats where terrible music lies....if it were not for IDM's experiments in the 90's so much of what makes up the musical language of electronic music today would not have been invented.

HUH?

As far as I remember House came out while Disco was still doing its thing. Later Techno and Breakbeat came and then DnB.

I do not know what IDM has to with the history of music tbh. IDM had nothing to do with forming Rave or Acid in the early 90s in the UK. Music coming out of Detroit, Belgium, Germany and the UK was what it was about. IDM has done fuckall if you ask me:)

stompzi wrote:
Not a hellova lot to add, but I had to say it: I totally disagree here. I just can't agree that the noisy stuff (be it dubstep, technical&noisy dnb or IDM if you wanna go there) is just "sounds stuck on a grid". Nor do I agree the sounds are horrible, if you're implying nobody enjoys that type of sound (because I definitely do).

There's something very cool about "raw" sounds to me, stuff like broken note and the overly distorted and resampled basslines in a lot of modern dnb just give me that RAAAAR feeling in my stomach :p

I know loads of people like it but quite a lot of them who do will have a background in IDM/+Core.

When I say stuck on a grid I mean it does not have the rhythm and groove like House/Garage and early Dubstep to me.

valve compression

KnobGoblin wrote: 95% of the time, there is something there that you can appreciate on some level, even if you dont like it as a whole.

i find the more i get into making music, the more i appreciate music i dont like. i like the way music inspires people and the natural progresion. just because you dont like jazz, idm or punk does not make them irrelevent they have inspiered much of the music you do like.

mekha wrote:valve compression

Made me lol, then think dirty things...

Serox wrote:
I know loads of people like it but quite a lot of them who do will have a background in IDM/+Core.

y is IDM getting grouped with these "core" musics?? idm...well what i like neway (four tet, arovane, board of canada, quantic) is just not anything like core

bEErz wrote: y is IDM getting grouped with these "core" musics?? idm...well what i like neway (four tet, arovane, board of canada, quantic) is just not anything like core

I know they are not the same but for some reason people who like one seem to like the other from what I have seen.

*SEROX SIG QUOTE*

Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

*SEROX SIG QUOTE*

Oh the irony !!

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