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hurlingdervish wrote:

The_Dza88 wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:steer clear of mpc's

why bother when theres trigger finger and drum rack....

other samplers have quirks and characteristics

At this very moment, it is quite clear that you've never actually tried mpc.

thecatinside wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:

The_Dza88 wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:steer clear of mpc's

why bother when theres trigger finger and drum rack....

other samplers have quirks and characteristics

At this very moment, it is quite clear that you've never actually tried mpc.

ive tried mpc's but id rather have an mpd 24 than waste a thousand dollars on a full mpc

in fairness it seems pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

the only hardware samplers still worth buying are the MPC series and that is for workflow. you are talking about a certain sound characteristic from certain samplers?

please expand on this nonsense.

yellowhighlighter wrote:in fairness it seems pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

the only hardware samplers still worth buying are the MPC series and that is for workflow. you are talking about a certain sound characteristic from certain samplers?

please expand on this nonsense.

if you have shitty samplers they may have glitches and fucked up sounds that no one else can replicate unless they let it sit in their garage for 20 years before selling it. that and they can be dirt cheap at garage sales because some guy bought it in the 80s and never touched it again.

if you want to get your beats done with out looking at a computer thats fine too

sp 12s and the boss sp 303 both have unique properties to them

mpcs have a clear sound that sounds just like doing it on a computer, except your paying way more for it

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'that sound' comes from the fact that older samplers have lower bit depths than new ones. Anything recorded on it would lose fidelity through quantisation noise.

I've only ever met two people who've used MPCs. they both swear by them, saying they just make things sound 'phat'..!

Maybe MPCs have some kind of superduper oversampling/filter biznuz that sprinkles magic dust everywhere??! (Or not... I dunno...)

Also, surely anything digital that had fucked up through poor care and maintainance would sound horrible..?!!

hurlingdervish wrote:

thecatinside wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:

The_Dza88 wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:steer clear of mpc's

why bother when theres trigger finger and drum rack....

other samplers have quirks and characteristics

At this very moment, it is quite clear that you've never actually tried mpc.

ive tried mpc's but id rather have an mpd 24 than waste a thousand dollars on a full mpc

I have a MPD 24 but if i had the spare cash id buy a MPC

STANDARD

mpc's are still digital circuits theres nothing they could do to make it sound more special unless they have some hidden tubes.

glitchy is good

if you really want to get an mpc who cares....

im just bringing another viewpoint to the table instead of just repeating what everyone else says.

it's the ad/da converters on the akais which give them their character that and cranking up the gain on them

Deadly Habit wrote:it's the ad/da converters on the akais which give them their character that and cranking up the gain on them

So, could one replicate their sound through simple VST bit reduction + an analogue gain stage?

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:it's the ad/da converters on the akais which give them their character that and cranking up the gain on them

So, could one replicate their sound through simple VST bit reduction + an analogue gain stage?

no

Deadly Habit wrote:

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:it's the ad/da converters on the akais which give them their character that and cranking up the gain on them

So, could one replicate their sound through simple VST bit reduction + an analogue gain stage?

no

Why is that then?

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:it's the ad/da converters on the akais which give them their character that and cranking up the gain on them

So, could one replicate their sound through simple VST bit reduction + an analogue gain stage?

no

Why is that then?

because it would have to emulate the circuitry and algorithms of the ad/da converters for starters and the gain stage on the sampler is more akin to an analog mixing desk rather than digital clipping

Deadly Habit wrote:

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:it's the ad/da converters on the akais which give them their character that and cranking up the gain on them

So, could one replicate their sound through simple VST bit reduction + an analogue gain stage?

no

Why is that then?

because it would have to emulate the circuitry and algorithms of the ad/da converters for starters and the gain stage on the sampler is more akin to an analog mixing desk rather than digital clipping

But say one were to sample with a 24bit sample rate, then surely the world is ones oyster in terms of the processing that can be applied. Running the sound through an analogue gain stage would help if you really wanted to overdrive the sound afterwards.

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:

futures_untold wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:

futures_untold wrote: So, could one replicate their sound through simple VST bit reduction + an analogue gain stage?

no

Why is that then?

because it would have to emulate the circuitry and algorithms of the ad/da converters for starters and the gain stage on the sampler is more akin to an analog mixing desk rather than digital clipping

But say one were to sample with a 24bit sample rate, then surely the world is ones oyster in terms of the processing that can be applied. Running the sound through an analogue gain stage would help if you really wanted to overdrive the sound afterwards.

yea but the older samplers are 16bit or lower generally as far as the sample rate goes
like i said it's the circuitry and algorithms that give it that color to the sound
same thing with say a tape saturation plugin vs the real thing or say the zplane filters on the older emu samplers
some things just can't be emulated via software

Deadly Habit wrote: some things just can't be emulated via software

if you take away one thing from the thread its this

hurlingdervish wrote:

yellowhighlighter wrote:in fairness it seems pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

the only hardware samplers still worth buying are the MPC series and that is for workflow. you are talking about a certain sound characteristic from certain samplers?

please expand on this nonsense.

if you have shitty samplers they may have glitches and fucked up sounds that no one else can replicate unless they let it sit in their garage for 20 years before selling it. that and they can be dirt cheap at garage sales because some guy bought it in the 80s and never touched it again.

if you want to get your beats done with out looking at a computer thats fine too

what samplers are these? name some there. why don't i just go and circuit bend some stuff then? generally from a sampler you want to something to come out sounding the same as it came in.

anyway. i would recommend the MPC only for it's workflow. that's why people swear by it.

i think some people in this thread are a bit delusional. although the old mpc models had certain ad converters and so did the old emu samplers, but people over play this character it apparently added to the sound. blind test you wouldn't tell the difference. when people want to process their sound through something they should not be using an old sampler. there is no reason to have any old sampler for sound purposes as you are just fooling yourself. it's just a placebo effect.

i have an mpc and don't consider an mpd control surface to be the same thing though. obviously with an mpc you have less options but you are forced to work within the limitations of the hardware. you get to learn the unit and once you get used to it working on the mpc is crazy for some styles of music.

^^^^ i did name some if you actually looked

another pointless post

yeah because you're going to pick up an sp12 or an sp303 for cheap at a garage sale.