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Jungleboy wrote:"It broke down. They've just fixed it. We'll hear more about it soon"

Do you believe everything you read? Its fair enough it could be true. However, ignorance is bliss and propeganda keeps the people at bay by feeding them lies and twists in the truth. This was not publicised in the mass media.

Yes. I know people that work there personally.

And yes it was : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7632408.stm

Jungleboy wrote: What I dont like is how they control the education system. Feeding you lies from when you enter school because its compulsary. I have heard various different accounts of history from across the globe and I wish to know why we are not taught about the original religion from South Africa, where humanity came from, surely thats the closest we are going to get to religious truth???

yeah, no critical thinking is taught, and people are specialized for careers in which they will spend the rest of their lives rather than being taught the wider picture

Can you elaborate on what you think the wider picture to be?

And what is the "original religion from South Africa" you allude to, Jungleboy?

Does it have better reasons for belief than modern physics?

hackman wrote:and i dont think that theyre should ever be leaders, just a rotating council of volunteers from wherever
having a leader is accepting that someone is better than you imo and noone is better than anyone obviously

Have you ever tried to run a company where everyone was equal? Do you think managers shouldn't be able to tell employees what to do?!

Being a "leader" doesn't make someone better. It means they have a different job. I occasionally have to tell people above me what to do, as I'm involved in information security.. that doesn't make me better than them, it just means that my job involves protecting certain standards and telling them how to do their jobs.... we employ the government to help us look after the country. Someone has to do it.... countries are complicated companies!

This thread is absolutely hilarious!

i dont know what i meant lol, want of a better phrase
i guess taught how the world really is and what really matters

I don't quite understand how a rotating council of volunteers would work when they will obviously be given some form of power over the rest of the group?

By nature they are volunteering to be in some sort of decision making position as I understand it from your comment?

i don't believe in an 'illuminati' that secretly runs the world- people in the bilderberg group etc undoubtedly meet to discuss how their agenda can be furthered- but how much impact can they really have?

they'd also have to be completely infallible- any mistake or slip up and the whole thing is revealed to the world's media- i've never met a perfect person, and how often do we hear of civil servants leaving memory sticks/laptops on trains?

also, the sheer number of people that would have to be involved kills it for me......we're talking the global media (who are supposedly in on it), most politicians- yet not one whistleblower has stepped forward?

the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless."

truth

hackman wrote:i dont know what i meant lol, want of a better phrase
i guess taught how the world really is and what really matters

It's not the government's job to do that though... it's the government's job to try and make sure that there are enough people to work in order to keep society functioning and "progressing". Keeping things like the NHS running is beneficial to everyone, isn't it? Well, I'd rather it was provided by Government than by a profit-making company anyway... although anyone in a position of power is open to corruption, those who are only in it for profit are surely slightly less trustworthy?

It's your drug dealer and library's job to help you understand all of life's little quirks... I recommend a weekend every couple of years getting familiar with the view from your 3rd eye.

Tee Hee.

Magma wrote:

hackman wrote:and i dont think that theyre should ever be leaders, just a rotating council of volunteers from wherever
having a leader is accepting that someone is better than you imo and noone is better than anyone obviously

Have you ever tried to run a company where everyone was equal? Do you think managers shouldn't be able to tell employees what to do?!

Being a "leader" doesn't make someone better. It means they have a different job. I occasionally have to tell people above me what to do, as I'm involved in information security.. that doesn't make me better than them, it just means that my job involves protecting certain standards and telling them how to do their jobs.... we employ the government to help us look after the country. Someone has to do it.... countries are complicated companies!

This thread is absolutely hilarious!

im not talking about companies im talking about the government in that respect, theyre useless and not being cocky but im sure i could do a better job than theyre doing

LEQ wrote:I don't quite understand how a rotating council of volunteers would work when they will obviously be given some form of power over the rest of the group?

By nature they are volunteering to be in some sort of decision making position as I understand it from your comment?

yes but its only temporary and there would be no lies between that council and the population as there is now between government and population, it would, though its only a picture in my mind, be much better and fairer
we dont live in a democracy

Magma wrote: It's not the government's job to do that though... it's the government's job to try and make sure that there are enough people to work in order to keep society functioning and "progressing". Keeping things like the NHS running is beneficial to everyone, isn't it? Well, I'd rather it was provided by Government than by a profit-making company anyway... although anyone in a position of power is open to corruption, those who are only in it for profit are surely slightly less trustworthy?
It's your drug dealer and library's job to help you understand all of life's little quirks... I recommend a weekend every couple of years getting familiar with the view from your 3rd eye.

then whos job is it? the government decides on education syllabus doesnt it? correct me if im wrong
and yes the nhs is beneficial? did i say it wasnt?
and i agree with the last part

hackman wrote:

LEQ wrote:I don't quite understand how a rotating council of volunteers would work when they will obviously be given some form of power over the rest of the group?

By nature they are volunteering to be in some sort of decision making position as I understand it from your comment?

yes but its only temporary and there would be no lies between that council and the population as there is now between government and population, it would, though its only a picture in my mind, be much better and fairer
we dont live in a democracy

How would you ensure it stayed fair? I mean, it'd need to be a fairly big organisation.

I don't think the difference between a government and a company is very big at all... one is funded by the public to run things for the country, one is funded by its customers to run things for profit. I prefer the government one, but any large organisation of people is pretty similar to any other large organisation of people.

The main problem you're going to find is that most humans are pretty selfish. In fact, we almost all are given the chance to be.

There's an old maxim that those who seek power should never be given it. How do you intend to find the members of your council?


Jungleboy: Of course, I can't argue with any of that. But then, nobody could.... that's why conspiracy theories are written in that way.... it means those who are happy to believe whatever they read (as long as it's not from "The Man") are happy to believe in them.

I've seen enough evidence with my own eyes to know that most physicists are lovely people... but I can't prove that to you over the interbox. Carry on living a bitter life, I'll carry on enjoying the modern world and getting excited about nice people finding out about the universe.

alfie wrote:i don't believe in an 'illuminati' that secretly runs the world- people in the bilderberg group etc undoubtedly meet to discuss how their agenda can be furthered- but how much impact can they really have?

Yeah not sure. I imagine it goes like this:
Oi oi bilderberg members, lets discuss price of oil!
Members: Let it rise high!
All: Here here! Hip hip hooray!
Ok. Now what about other daily products?
Members: Well, lets just raise the prices of everything, so none can afford daily bread but ourselves!!!
All: Yes thats what we are all about!!!

Magma wrote: How would you ensure it stayed fair? I mean, it'd need to be a fairly big organisation.
I don't think the difference between a government and a company is very big at all... one is funded by the public to run things for the country, one is funded by its customers to run things for profit. I prefer the government one, but any large organisation of people is pretty similar to any other large organisation of people.
The main problem you're going to find is that most humans are pretty selfish. In fact, we almost all are given the chance to be.
There's an old maxim that those who seek power should never be given it. How do you intend to find the members of your council?

1000 volunteers for a country like england? changing every few months? done on first come first served basis and you can only do it once every 5 years? i dont know, its just an idea, better than the shambles of parliament imo
you only have power hungry people because of inequality. if there were no benefits to being an mp (no different salaries from a binman) i doubt they would be as sneaky
same with inequality of knowledge, as jungle boy said

The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.

ALAN MOORE

-edit- I didn't realise that someone had already posted this

limb wrote:The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.

ALAN MOORE

bollocks, noone is saying reptillians exist, noone is saying anything about a jewish conspiracy, noone is saying anything about aliens

I bet some people on this thread think the X-Files is a fly on the wall documentary.