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Part of the issue around this also has to do with the playback source being targeted by the producer: big gut-tickling subs simply don't come through on acoustically limited devices like iPods, but the midrange stuff tends to do so. Many people are suspicious of attempts to get the sound out to a broader audience by pitching it at the earbud crowd instead of the dancefloor, and I have to say their suspicions aren't totally unfounded.

Despite the best efforts of some to hijack it, much of this music is still deeply rooted (thankfully) in Dub sound system-ism and the Dub aesthetic. What is that exactly? Well, for starters it's bottom heavy like Kim Kardashian; for another thing there's an absolute sense of SPACE. Like the famous equation says, "Dubstep = space + pace + bass." (Was it Joe Nice said that? I forget...)

With the so-called "midrange cackery" the mids are often so prominent and busy [compared to the rest of the mix] that both the sense of space & pace get lost, and the bass becomes more of a low midrange lead synth than a true low end bass.

That said-

there's room for everything. A good song is a good song regardless of it's EQ curve or even recording deficiencies - and a well-produced song, conversely, is not the same thing as a well-written song...

BUMP - lets talk about this more!

I've really enjoyed this thread, and I personally like either or as long as it's done well. But I'm certainly tired of hearing DJ's playung shitty music with too much midrange while clipping red. I'm really enjoying good a good rub-a-sub-dub-down!

we call it bass music because it's about bass, if it were about sub we'd be calling it sub music

sub plays a major roll because sub *is* bass, but saying that a certain part of the bass spectrum doesn't belong in a style of electronic music is absurd

saying that harsh midrange basses (cack) annoys you is personal preference, but there is no part of the bass spectrum that you as a producer should avoid

nothing is stopping you from making irritating sounds in that spectrum, but i'd rather you do that than have a dirty mix

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Yamaz wrote:BUMP - lets talk about this more!

I've really enjoyed this thread, and I personally like either or as long as it's done well. But I'm certainly tired of hearing DJ's playung shitty music with too much midrange while clipping red. I'm really enjoying good a good rub-a-sub-dub-down!

well anyone running in the red is a shit dj heh
even with midrange it's good to layer some sines in the sub range that way you cater to both ranges

Another cool thing about this thread. I had to look up the word 'cack'. Never heard this word used in the States. I'll spread the word like wildfire.

Halo Skycrash wrote:Another cool thing about this thread. I had to look up the word 'cack'. Never heard this word used in the States. I'll spread the word like wildfire.

Awesome dude:D

a lot of people hate on "mid range wobblers," yet everyone is all about coki - goblin. I can't tolerate that song at a loud volume for any more than 1 minute

I guess seniority scares off the shit talkers in coki's scenario

yeah it is a bit weird how you never see a single person hating on coki when often his tunes have almost no sub, or the sub only comes in when the b-line hits higher notes. i quite like that effect though.

not that im part of the mid hate crew at all, just an observation.

it's just a certain hater on here
love you futures

I never realised cack went so deep...

I personally refer to the type of sound exemplified in Skreams 'Simple City' as cack, not the frequency range. The 'brutal electro' style patch is the defualt reset for cackmiesters. Cack isn't bassy, but can be layered very easily with subby sounds, so that isn't really a problem.

I guess it boils down to whether you like that raw abbrassive sound or not? I prefer the midrange part of hoovers personally, but each to their own.

Nuff lulz in this thread though

julesee wrote:a lot of people hate on "mid range wobblers," yet everyone is all about coki - goblin. I can't tolerate that song at a loud volume for any more than 1 minute

I guess seniority scares off the shit talkers in coki's scenario

Nah, who cares if Coki has been doing it a year longer than the other guy. A year isn't that long. Listen to someone like Lory D for something that has lasted. He started when the rave scene began and hes still out there.