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you choose the insert where your signal comes from, in our example insert 1. then you click "enable send from insert 1 to insert 2" (the button beneath the volume crossfader of each channel).
same for 1 to 3 and 1 to 4.
now your synth signal runs to insert 1 and the signal from insert 1 goes to inserts 2,3,4 AND master! because every channel sends to the master. but we only want the signal to go to our chosen channels > click disable send from 1 to master (same button but disables send because it is already turned on).

man that's really not easy to describe although it's just a few clicks

This might help.

In this case you send your Synth to "Synth IN"



And you'd put the relevant EQ on each channel:

Low Pass for Synth Low
Band Pass for Synth Mid
Low Cut for Synth High

Then process away!

how would i go about doing this in nuendo?
still struggling a little to get my head around it.
the only way i can see to output to multiple places is to use sends but when i think about it, it doesnt seem like the right way.
sorry i've been a little vague in this post.

bump, can anyone help me on this?
apologies for the partial thread-jacking, just thought as y'all were on the subject i'd ask.
lets say i have a synth patch made in z3ta, would i make 3 fx channels, put 3 sends out from the synth track to each fx channel, bosh an eq on insert 1 of each fx channel and then process the shit out of it?
& with the sends i guess i'd have them fully sending the signal out?

frizzwah wrote:how would i go about doing this in nuendo?
still struggling a little to get my head around it.
the only way i can see to output to multiple places is to use sends but when i think about it, it doesnt seem like the right way.
sorry i've been a little vague in this post.

it is the right way
take the main output channel of your vst and create 3 group busses
send pre fader to each one and mute original signal
then on inital insert use an eq or filter to set them in the respective freq bands you want (low, mid high) and process and automate each band seperately
once you have it sounding how you want you may want to add a fourth bus to send to to compress them all together to gel it a bit

oh and fx channels are kinda worthless in comparison to a group chan as you can't further route a fx channel

Deadly Habit wrote:

frizzwah wrote:how would i go about doing this in nuendo?
still struggling a little to get my head around it.
the only way i can see to output to multiple places is to use sends but when i think about it, it doesnt seem like the right way.
sorry i've been a little vague in this post.

it is the right way
take the main output channel of your vst and create 3 group busses
send pre fader to each one and mute original signal
then on inital insert use an eq or filter to set them in the respective freq bands you want (low, mid high) and process and automate each band seperately
once you have it sounding how you want you may want to add a fourth bus to send to to compress them all together to gel it a bit

oh and fx channels are kinda worthless in comparison to a group chan as you can't further route a fx channel

works like a charm
thanks for clearing that up man.

DatsiK wrote:its tons and tons of processing

What's "tons & tons" exactly?
I feel like after resampling a couple of times with subtle changes I'm doing more harm than good to the sound.

Daft tnuc wrote:

DatsiK wrote:its tons and tons of processing

What's "tons & tons" exactly?
I feel like after resampling a couple of times with subtle changes I'm doing more harm than good to the sound.

sometimes yes sometimes no
think of it as instead of using say multiple instances of the same filter or fx plugins in tandem being differently modulated/automated you're doing a resample of it reloading it in thus doing it one stage at a time
comes in handy when doing a sound that is split into diff bands and processing each individually which when doing effects in tandem can start taxing your cpu

sorry to dig this thread back up.
slight issue, im using nuendo, making 3 group channel tracks and then sending the signal to each.
but i cannot mute the original signal without it muting the group channel tracks too.
i thought it might be an option to disable the output but my only options on that are asio4all stereo out, left, right and the group tracks i've made.
help would be much appreciated on this one!

frizzwah wrote:sorry to dig this thread back up.
slight issue, im using nuendo, making 3 group channel tracks and then sending the signal to each.
but i cannot mute the original signal without it muting the group channel tracks too.
i thought it might be an option to disable the output but my only options on that are asio4all stereo out, left, right and the group tracks i've made.
help would be much appreciated on this one!

should be an option above your send db levels on orig channel forget what the button looks like, but i think i has some arrows and is next to button to turn on the send

hmm the only ones on there is one to activate the send, pre-fade and access editor. none of these changed anything.
i must be doing something wrong here?

frizzwah wrote:hmm the only ones on there is one to activate the send, pre-fade and access editor. none of these changed anything.
i must be doing something wrong here?

should be turn on pre fader

ahh its sorted now!
thanks man.
this thread has been 222222 helpful.

this was a good post for me to read thanks. Props to DatsiK and Excision seriously love your materials.

Sweet thread necro

lojik wrote:

Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but I liked this diagram and wanted to know if such an arrangement is possible in Fruity Loops? if so, I'd love to know how!! specifically, I can't figure out how to send the original signal (insert 1) to the other inserts and onwards, without being picked up by the master (as shown in the diagram)...

I've "sent" 1 to 2,3,4 ... then 2,3,and 4 individually to 5....but I'm not able to "mute" or remove the insert 1 (or inserts 2,3,4 for that matter) from the mix. I can play insert 1 it at a low volume and work with inserts 2,3,4 from there, but its not ideal. It seems the FL Master mix picks up each channel in the mixer unless it is sent out to an external mixer. It'd be nice to be able to actually work with the frequencies individually and combine them back into one channel, then back into the master mix (such that only insert 5 is picked up in mix).

How do I get a nice series like the one diagrammed?

Forgive my noobiness - Any help is appreciated!

albino + wow filter... these guys who are telling you that they are breaking shit down into different layers are just trying to send you on a wild goose chase.

Rickmansworth wrote:albino + wow filter... these guys who are telling you that they are breaking shit down into different layers are just trying to send you on a wild goose chase.

ya??? you wanna put your money where your mouth is and post some of your own results using this so called wow filter?

hmm... i figured joining an online community would be helpful to my learning process, or at the very least - i figured it couldn't hurt. leave it to dubstep retards to try to mislead people. (it seems most aspiring dubstep producers are around 14-15 yrs old, after all). Thanks for the heads up ppl.

But for the record, I've gotten some interesting effects by playing around with this "send" feature (even if they're empty suggestions). My question still stands...is it possible to set up such a arrangement in fruity loops? (See diagram above)

killahbeez wrote:

lojik wrote:

Sorry to resurrect such an old thread, but I liked this diagram and wanted to know if such an arrangement is possible in Fruity Loops? if so, I'd love to know how!! specifically, I can't figure out how to send the original signal (insert 1) to the other inserts and onwards, without being picked up by the master (as shown in the diagram)...

I've "sent" 1 to 2,3,4 ... then 2,3,and 4 individually to 5....but I'm not able to "mute" or remove the insert 1 (or inserts 2,3,4 for that matter) from the mix. I can play insert 1 it at a low volume and work with inserts 2,3,4 from there, but its not ideal. It seems the FL Master mix picks up each channel in the mixer unless it is sent out to an external mixer. It'd be nice to be able to actually work with the frequencies individually and combine them back into one channel, then back into the master mix (such that only insert 5 is picked up in mix).

How do I get a nice series like the one diagrammed?

Forgive my noobiness - Any help is appreciated!

http://phiik.com/split.jpg

I realize that all you needed to know was how to route away from the master, but I figured that some people might not even know that and that a full explanation would help.

And I want to add that it's not a "wild goose chase", and you aren't being misled, because it really is a useful technique to add a whole other level of complexity to your sounds.