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Eops wrote: Lets not get all Xbox Vs PS3 Vs Wii about this shit - enjoy the things you enjoy ignore the rest - no one on the dancefloor is going to walk off because it was made with fruity loops or logic or whatever

its allll about logic for me. would like to get into ableton one day though it looks pretty cool

Cloak and Dagger wrote:3) It's ridiculously easy to create effects chains and save them as instruments...coming from Cubase, this is a fantastic feature.

You can save effects chains just fine in cubase, what's more you can tag them in mediabay so you can ask it to show you all your effect chains which distort your sound or add reverb or are good for bass or good for dubstep or whatever. You can even save synths with the patch and the effect chain as a single sound.

Eops wrote:

jsilver wrote:i like both live AND fl, you guys are a bit wonky in the head

I never get the way people always want a race with a winner and a loser - they are all tools with different pros and cons which suit users in different ways (you can use a knife *and* a fork without hating on the cutlery).

- Surely DAWS can live in harmony!?

I like Ableton because of the easy effect chaining, the session view can be really helpful when getting parts laid out for arrangement, it gives you a good view of what you need to see in every context and its got the whole dj thing if you want that.

Lets not get all Xbox Vs PS3 Vs Wii about this shit - enjoy the things you enjoy ignore the rest - no one on the dancefloor is going to walk off because it was made with fruity loops or logic or whatever

True.

I use FL for the drum programming mainly...but I'm thinking to myself now I can get iZotope iDrum and bypass this completey.

I know you want to hear what Live has, but I'm letting you know what FL has. Really doesn't matter what DAW you use. It's a matter of personal preference and what is easier for you. I've never used Live, but it seems to be on the top as far as using for live performances. I haven't really played with FL's live mode too much, but it does seem to be lacking in that department as far as creating sessions and such.

thesis wrote:For example, say you decide that your outro would actually sound better as an intro and you want to move the whole 8 bars including automation. In my experience this is not so easy in FL (although maybe its improved in the newest version, I haven't tried it). Especially when it comes to the automation, I hit a brick wall in FL when it comes to moving sections of my tune around.

This is super easy in FL. Just select it and move to where you want or cut/paste. Very easy to slice automation clips or reassign automation clips/events to entirely different knobs/parameters.

thesis wrote: In FL I found myself spending more time setting things up then actually making music, and hardly used my MIDI controller because it was too complicated to get it working properly.

There aren't too many controllers that have presets for FL. I just got an MPD32 and no presets. It took me maybe 5 minutes to have everything mapped how I wanted it, saved it as a preset in my MPD32 and saved a template in FL. If you don't have/use templates for your controller, you'll always have to remap everything. Just a matter of knowing how to use the software.

thesis wrote:the interface in Live has definitely got a more intuitive, 'drag & drop' feel to it.

Playlist in FL is drag and drop. Can drag and drop a sample directly from a folder and timestretch, chop, edit, whatever right there.

thesis wrote: I also agree with the previous comment that Live is rolling 5 programs into one

FL basically is too. Sequencing, wave editing, slicing/chopping, live mode, etc. all wrapped in one.

I use both Live and FL8.

No comparison.. Ableton is BOSS!! Nuff said.lol at people trying to defend fruity loops especially when they have never used LIVE..

Eops wrote:Lets not get all Xbox Vs PS3 Vs Wii about this shit - enjoy the things you enjoy ignore the rest - no one on the dancefloor is going to walk off because it was made with fruity loops or logic or whatever

I find comparing DAWs useful/interesting. Comparing the shortcomings of one DAW with the pros of another and so on. So in a way, these types of threads can be useful, (though they're overdone). It opens people's eyes to shortcomings they might not have considered (compared with other software) and it might make people curious to other things out there and having an open minded about that is a good thing. It's also fine when people rep their software, but to be dickheads about it is rather silly.

I don't like FL Studio. Has nothing to do with the program itself, or its features. Just the workflow and interface doesn't work for me at all. It doesn't stimulate my creativity, nor does it inspire me musically. I just find it a chore working with it. I'm Renoise all the way.. though I don't really care how other heads make they music. And hell, Wisp uses FL, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.

notch wrote:No comparison.. Ableton is BOSS!! Nuff said.

actually you haven't said much of anything here

Jolly Wailer wrote:

notch wrote:No comparison.. Ableton is BOSS!! Nuff said.

actually you haven't said much of anything here

Your right you win

i just got ableton today, seems p cool but tbh i'm still in love with reason 4 for production.

sakana wrote:i just got ableton today, seems p cool but tbh i'm still in love with reason 4 for production.

you just got it today....
what kind of informed decision is that ?

i find myself thinking that ableton is gonna take a looooong while to learn, so its just so much easier to jump back to reason

but yea i've been avoiding getting ableton for a while, i'm still not exactly sure why......

notch wrote:No comparison.. Ableton is BOSS!! Nuff said.lol at people trying to defend fruity loops especially when they have never used LIVE..

Personal preference man. My workflow in FL is fine and I wouldn't want to exchange it for anything. I've attempted to use Live before and didn't like the look of it so never bothered trying to learn or use it further.

Fuck the DAW wars. The only people dissing on anything are only dissing because they don't know how to use what they're dissing and think their shit's superior when it's really all the same. People probably still making sick tunes on an Atari ST with Cubit.

The only reason for my post was to show that the same things someone finds easy in Abelton are equally just as easy in FL if you know what you're doing.

true say... Quarta 330 makes bangers on a game boy ffs

to get back on topic...



you gotta get some bubble lead patches for those rustie-esque gleeps


more info on that to come

relik wrote:

notch wrote:No comparison.. Ableton is BOSS!! Nuff said.lol at people trying to defend fruity loops especially when they have never used LIVE..

Personal preference man. My workflow in FL is fine and I wouldn't want to exchange it for anything. I've attempted to use Live before and didn't like the look of it so never bothered trying to learn or use it further.

Fuck the DAW wars. The only people dissing on anything are only dissing because they don't know how to use what they're dissing and think their shit's superior when it's really all the same. People probably still making sick tunes on an Atari ST with Cubit.

The only reason for my post was to show that the same things someone finds easy in Abelton are equally just as easy in FL if you know what you're doing.

Yeah I never liked the way FL looked so never bothered with it. I like the way Logic looks the best but I don't use Apple. Anyway sometimes when the GUI looks sweet as fuck it can cloud your judgment on whether it actually sounds good or not. Wars over DAW's are stupid. Agreed.

sakana wrote:i find myself thinking that ableton is gonna take a looooong while to learn, so its just so much easier to jump back to reason

but yea i've been avoiding getting ableton for a while, i'm still not exactly sure why......

it does boil down to personal perference, but spend a week with it and you'll wonder why you used anything else.

sakana wrote:i just got ableton today, seems p cool but tbh i'm still in love with reason 4 for production.

Cool, Reason will re-wire into Live just fine. You can use both at once and have all of the features of Reason with the added benefits of using VST's and audio. You can also bounce your Reason tracks to audio in Live if you want.

EZ