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Swissdub wrote:how do people bring themselves to do that.

someone curb stomp them

ermmm... would that not be a little hypocritical?

particle-jim wrote:

Swissdub wrote:how do people bring themselves to do that.

someone curb stomp them

ermmm... would that not be a little hypocritical?

no your right, lets talk about letting them off scott free? or being sent to jail where they get 3 meals a day and a bed. that seems fair dosent it?

murder is wrong... kill all the murderers!

particle-jim wrote:murder is wrong... kill all the murderers!

youve confused me

particle-jim wrote:kill all the murderers!

^ would eventually lead to everyone in the world being murdered


anyway back ontopic,

I really want to believe that was an "accident".

One time when I was young I was going way to fast on this offramp off the freeway, and I went into an instant skid. I went flying into the guardrail pretty much head on at sixty miles an hour, some how (and I swear this was the hand of god) my car, in full skid, changed direction and I went off the inside of the offramp, it was a kind of steep slope that was covered in ice plant, a juicy succulent. As I slid down this hill I realized there was a whining high pitched scream going on, I had some how taken the car out of gear and had the accelerator floored, the engine was pegged redline and it literally took me three of four seconds to even recognize it. Oh yeah, and the windshield whippers were going for some reason?

Anyway, this was pure chaos and it took me a long time to regain control of myself, let alone my car. If I was in a crowded urban setting, I could have easily mowed down scores of people...

I don't know, that video is so horrific, I really really want that to be something similar.

Swissdub wrote:

particle-jim wrote:kill all the murderers!

^ would eventually lead to everyone in the world being murdered

lol that's my point... i said that to point out it's inherent hypocrisy, i don't actually think you should kill anyone, i am against murder in all forms

after watching that video you suggested curb-stomping the perpetrators, an act which is equally, if not more violent than the original offence, i believe that would be hypocritical... obviously some sort of punishment is necessary but to kill them is not the way, particularly not in such a horrific and brutal fashion as curb-stomping

particle-jim wrote:

Swissdub wrote:

particle-jim wrote:kill all the murderers!

^ would eventually lead to everyone in the world being murdered

lol that's my point... i said that to point out it's inherent hypocrisy, i don't actually think you should kill anyone, i am against murder in all forms

after watching that video you suggested curb-stomping the perpetrators, an act which is equally, if not more violent than the original offence, i believe that would be hypocritical... obviously some sort of punishment is necessary but to kill them is not the way, particularly not in such a horrific and brutal fashion as curb-stomping

It's a tactic that is allowed with VIP's. You don't stop if you feel your life is in danger at any costs. Usually this is a lot easier with guns as you warning shot someone and they move the fuck out of your way.

However that is very very common knowledge in the middle east and this reaction is likely why someone would steal a US automobile and do such an action.

It's realistic that this could happen with a US VIP, and it's realistic that someone looking to start trouble would do something like this. Given that most US VIPs are long since evacuated and it's utter chaos over there, I'm leaning to believe the stolen car story.

particle-jim wrote:

Swissdub wrote:

particle-jim wrote:kill all the murderers!

^ would eventually lead to everyone in the world being murdered

lol that's my point... i said that to point out it's inherent hypocrisy, i don't actually think you should kill anyone, i am against murder in all forms

after watching that video you suggested curb-stomping the perpetrators, an act which is equally, if not more violent than the original offence, i believe that would be hypocritical... obviously some sort of punishment is necessary but to kill them is not the way, particularly not in such a horrific and brutal fashion as curb-stomping

yeah i get what your saying. my comment was rushed and was written only a few seconds after watching the video, so was still in a bit of shock.

unjust actions like this get me ANGRY

nowaysj wrote:I really want to believe that was an "accident".

One time when I was young I was going way to fast on this offramp off the freeway, and I went into an instant skid. I went flying into the guardrail pretty much head on at sixty miles an hour, some how (and I swear this was the hand of god) my car, in full skid, changed direction and I went off the inside of the offramp, it was a kind of steep slope that was covered in ice plant, a juicy succulent. As I slid down this hill I realized there was a whining high pitched scream going on, I had some how taken the car out of gear and had the accelerator floored, the engine was pegged redline and it literally took me three of four seconds to even recognize it. Oh yeah, and the windshield whippers were going for some reason?

Anyway, this was pure chaos and it took me a long time to regain control of myself, let alone my car. If I was in a crowded urban setting, I could have easily mowed down scores of people...

I don't know, that video is so horrific, I really really want that to be something similar.

it looks like it COULD HAVE been panic... imagine yourself in the car, surrounded by an angry mob of people... you want to get the fuck out, and you start driving... theres a crowd of people ahead and you panic some more and you just slam your foot down instinctively, while it's on the gas...

then again, it could have just as well been intentional.

fucking brutal and tragic, no matter how or why it happened.

I only watched that once, but does it sound like gun shots right before the fucking van goes psycho? I really don't want to watch that again.

nowaysj wrote:I only watched that once, but does it sound like gun shots right before the fucking van goes psycho? I really don't want to watch that again.

definitely gunshots, and it looks like something like a molotov cocktail was thrown near the van.

and honestly, were i the driver of that thing and i was staring down that mob, hearing gunshots, and definitely seeing flaming things being thrown, id freak the fuck out.

it was crazy down there, and in an environment like that, i'd assume rationality goes out the window.

be that as it may, if it turns out it was someone associated with the US embassy, they do need to be punished, though circumstances should entail a lighter punishment IMO.

badger wrote:

pkay wrote:The Muslim Brotherhood is the main opposition claiming voter fraud/puppet regime as they lost a lot of power in Egypt over the last election.

They have the most to gain from political chaos in Egypt.

so you're basing it on who has most to gain and absolutely no evidence

top work sherlock every reporting i've seen of this has said that the muslim brotherhood has very little to do with the protests, if anything at all

so yeah, you're not doing very well at not letting your prejudices get in the way of sensible judgement

pkay wrote:You're under the impression that the fallout from this will be a purely democratic venture.

that's another issue entirely but most commentators think the muslim brotherhood is unlikely to have that much input in whatever happens afterwards. that all remains to be seen but it could up badly whichever side(s) is/are involved

hate to say I told you so but...................


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_egypt

The outlawed Brotherhood said in a statement that its representatives would meet with Vice President Omar Suleiman to press its "legitimate and just demands."

Senior Brotherhood leader Mohammed Mursi said the group was sticking to the protesters' main condition that Mubarak step down. He told The Associated Press the talks will take place later Sunday.

These would be the first known discussions between the government and the Brotherhood in years, suggesting the group could be allowed an open political role in the post-Mubarak era.

Who is gaining from all this? Muslim Brotherhood. Could be dumb luck or could be that I pretty much nailed it on the fucking head with this one

Anyone who was suppressed under the current regime stands to gain from the removal of that regime, oh wait, did I just nail it?

I'm gonna do my genius dance.

nowaysj wrote:Anyone who was suppressed under the current regime stands to gain from the removal of that regime

exactly, under mubarak the muslim brotherhood was outlawed so of course they are going to gain from it, that doesn't mean to say that they will seize power and turn Egypt into an ultra conservative muslim state, considering how much of Egypt's economy is reliant on western tourism it would be completely counter intuitive to do so, especially considering that the whole reason for the protests was in favor of a more open and democratic system

particle-jim wrote:

Swissdub wrote:

particle-jim wrote:kill all the murderers!

^ would eventually lead to everyone in the world being murdered

lol that's my point... i said that to point out it's inherent hypocrisy, i don't actually think you should kill anyone, i am against murder in all forms

after watching that video you suggested curb-stomping the perpetrators, an act which is equally, if not more violent than the original offence, i believe that would be hypocritical... obviously some sort of punishment is necessary but to kill them is not the way, particularly not in such a horrific and brutal fashion as curb-stomping

This.

It's an endless cycle. It has to stop somewhere.

It's nonsensical to say "You killed a person, that's wrong, so we're going to kill you". By that logic you'd have to kill the executioner then the person who killed the executioner etc etc

"an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"

cant see how the US and UK would let Egypt fall into the control of the Muslim Brotherhood... this isn't my moral/ethical standpoint btw, but if i was 'the US' or 'the UK' that would be a very rubbish thing and we'd have to stick our long noses in and fuck their shit up

nowaysj wrote:Anyone who was suppressed under the current regime stands to gain from the removal of that regime, oh wait, did I just nail it?

The ban on Muslim Brotherhood was in place long before Mubarak's regime.... regime change did not favor the Muslim Brotherhood for 60+ years did it?

particle_jim wrote: exactly, under mubarak the muslim brotherhood was outlawed so of course they are going to gain from it, that doesn't mean to say that they will seize power and turn Egypt into an ultra conservative muslim state, considering how much of Egypt's economy is reliant on western tourism it would be completely counter intuitive to do so, especially considering that the whole reason for the protests was in favor of a more open and democratic system

and once again let me make it clear... Mubarak did not ban the Muslim Brotherhood. They were banned decades before he came into power. Read up on these guys... not exactly boy scouts. You guys fail to understand who these fucks are. This is the group that spawned Hamas. Does that not ring any alarm bells as to who these retards are? They don't care about money or tourism or peace for that matter.


This is very bad for peace in the world.... and as bad as Mubarak is/was he pales in comparison to what will happens as a result of the Muslim Brotherhood being allowed back in Egypt in an official capacity.

noam wrote:cant see how the US and UK would let Egypt fall into the control of the Muslim Brotherhood... this isn't my moral/ethical standpoint btw, but if i was 'the US' or 'the UK' that would be a very rubbish thing and we'd have to stick our long noses in and fuck their shit up

I fear that is exactly what will happen. These organizations have proven they don't need a majority to take over a country. They simply need a stepping stone and their Iranian/Syrian backers will gladly assist with finances and arms support.

Hamas is in power, Hezzbo is in power, this would be a third neighboring country and it would be a matter of a few years before Israel is attacked and all hell breaks loose.