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wub wrote:Meanwhile, in Iceland;

http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/i ... ts-history

From December, but I doubt the statistic has changed.

also some food for thought: the entire german police force only fired 85 shots in a year, with over half being warning shots

while the LAPD fired 84 bullets at a single individual in one instance in 2012

with statistics like these, i dont see how anyone can justify the extent to which american cops are willing, even enthusiastic, to use force

wub wrote:Meanwhile, in Iceland;

http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/i ... ts-history

From December, but I doubt the statistic has changed.

iceland: doing it right

america: consistently doing it wrong



icelands peaceful revolution in 2012 was something to behold as well

Iceland is also largely a racially homogenous christian nation.

nowaysj wrote:Iceland is also largely a racially homogenous christian nation.

What does religion have to do with any of this?


oh and my £0.02 - We cant tell yet of MB or the cop was in the right, however in the second video (knife) the cops were defo in the wrong to shoot him like that


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This is why you crazies should have never gained independence

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nowaysj wrote:Iceland is also largely a racially homogenous christian nation.

So you admit race was a factor?

Also don't see why that matters. People aren't naturally racist imo - only when they're told to be by Fox News.

Iceland is Christian in name, but a large minority of people don't consider themselves religious (31%). The relative peace in Iceland has to do with the income equality. Look at the countries in Northern and Central Europe. They have well established welfare states that provide most of the needs of life. If people don't have to resort to crime in order to survive then they won't be inclined to commit crimes.



http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DEC/ ... uality.pdf

stating the obvious but:
cops are gunna shoot people when they can assume everybody else is carrying

@OG: I was coming back to bigup you, and you edited.

OGLemon wrote:Iceland is Christian in name, but a large minority of people don't consider themselves religious (31%).

That is 69% that is religious, and some of the 31% are probably children (including adults) of christian parents so may have received christian morals and ethics which they separate from formal religious practice.

OGLemon wrote:The relative peace in Iceland has to do with the income equality. Look at the countries in Northern and Central Europe. They have well established welfare states that provide most of the needs of life.

I came back here to big you up because, of course, it can't be stated enough the impact that economics has on these issues. But economics is not the only factor. The moral character of people is at least equivalently important to the strength of the community. (And imo, economics and morality are so interwoven they are almost indistinguishable.)

OGLemon wrote:If people don't have to resort to crime in order to survive then they won't be inclined to commit crimes.

Right, like when MB stole the Swisher Sweets, he was fighting for survival, fighting for his rights. I'm only like, 30% serious here.

OGLemon wrote:

Can you think of ways in which this information could be misleading? Is it possible that the counties with the least inequality are the wealthiest counties and so have a moral standard that disfavors violent crime as well as greater deterrence through more robust policing? I don't doubt this graph's premise though, it is basic thermodynamics, the vacuum abhors the concentration.

I read the abstract of that paper, and what a world bank kick in the teeth...

If only these cops had been trained by the Jagoff community policing center.

I have a correction to make, http://redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploa ... 5-7-12.pdf , on page 11 it says that Iceland's religiosity was at 57%, a 17% decrease from just 7 years earlier.

Regardless, the U.S. is one of the most religious countries in the developed world. If religious people are moral, then you would expect the crime rate to be a lot lower than its current levels. This is a generalization, but blacks seem to be the most religious and socially conservative of the various racial groups in the U.S. Thus you should expect a low crime rate. Even the vast majority of people who run our government consider themselves to be Christians, yet they can justify going to war and promoting the death penalty. The point I'm trying to make is that people's morals are fickle.

nowaysj wrote:

OGLemon wrote:If people don't have to resort to crime in order to survive then they won't be inclined to commit crimes.

Right, like when MB stole the Swisher Sweets, he was fighting for survival, fighting for his rights. I'm only like, 30% serious here.

The comment was about crime in general, there are cases where people commit crime out of passion, social pressures, or desire. I don't know why MB stole those cigars. My guess is that he wanted to smoke, but couldn't afford to smoke. That's just a guess though and we'll probably never know why.

Lastly, it's not just Christianity that results in peaceful societies. In Japan, you have a society who's culture is heavily based on Buddhism and Shinto, bar the Yakuza, there is a very low level of crime.

Crime is a very complex issue. I don't know all of the causes of crime, but I believe that a society is better off where people don't have to fight to get the necessities of life.

Not sure about socially conservative, as they consistently vote for socially liberal Democrats, but it's no generalization to say blacks in America the most religious ethnic group.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... -atheists/

OGLemon wrote:My guess is that he wanted to smoke, but couldn't afford to smoke.

Spoken like a true economist head

Blacks don't usually vote Republican because of the parties racist past in the 60s, the economics pushed by the party, and the image of the party.

I did find this interesting graph though.

OGLemon wrote:I have a correction to make, http://redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploa ... 5-7-12.pdf , on page 11 it says that Iceland's religiosity was at 57%, a 17% decrease from just 7 years earlier.

Regardless, the U.S. is one of the most religious countries in the developed world.

The violent crime is not committed by the actually religious people in this country, one. And two, there are many truly evil air quote christians in this country. Re your later comment regarding christian leaders in this country. Fuck them, many participate in the most evil practices imaginable. The Christianity is a cover to hoodwink the truly christian populace, many of whom fall for the song and dance, or are also corrupted and worship the beast. Don't forget that America is the most privately generous nation, and that is wealth adjusted etc. America is the most caring and sharing nation in terms of individuals. That is independent of the government, which is the most caring and sharing... of depleted uranium tipped ammo, and all the rest. Last Christmas I tried to get the snh to send a goat to Africa, no traction.

OGLemon wrote:This is a generalization, but blacks seem to be the most religious and socially conservative of the various racial groups in the U.S. Thus you should expect a low crime rate.

I would, but there is the income inequality, AND there was Lyndon Johnson's Great Society which reversed the trend of marriage rates of parents, which had higher rates of marriage for black parents than white parents before the great society, but that changed with the great society and the other subsequent attacks on the black community. It is my personal opinion (and this is predicated on my belief in fundamental differences between races, so take it for what it is worth) that black people have a greater spirituality or moral ability, and that is precisely why their decimation has been essential in the implementation of the beast system.

Lemon Head wrote:Lastly, it's not just Christianity that results in peaceful societies. In Japan, you have a society who's culture is heavily based on Buddhism and Shinto, bar the Yakuza, there is a very low level of crime.

Japan is a HIGHLY moral society due to several inputs, no doubt.

OGLemon wrote:Crime is a very complex issue. I don't know all of the causes of crime, but I believe that a society is better off where people don't have to fight to get the necessities of life.

I'm with you dude. But in the US, are people fighting for the necessities of life? Are they fighting for food, water, shelter, medical care, life's actual essentials, or are they fighting for Swisher Sweets? For Jordans? But I'm with you.

nowaysj wrote:Lyndon Johnson's Great Society which reversed the trend of marriage rates of parents, which had higher rates of marriage for black parents than white parents before the great society, but that changed with the great society and the other subsequent attacks on the black community. It is my personal opinion (and this is predicated on my belief in fundamental differences between races, so take it for what it is worth) that black people have a greater spirituality or moral ability, and that is precisely why their decimation has been essential in the implementation of the beast system.

nowaysj wrote:I'm with you dude. But in the US, are people fighting for the necessities of life? Are they fighting for food, water, shelter, medical care, life's actual essentials, or are they fighting for Swisher Sweets? For Jordans? But I'm with you.

Who are you and what have you done with nowaysj?

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Really though, when did u turn into Bill O'Reilley?

Bill O'Reily is a muppet, a puppet, and can totally suckit.

nowaysj wrote:I'm with you dude. But in the US, are people fighting for the necessities of life? Are they fighting for food, water, shelter, medical care, life's actual essentials, or are they fighting for Swisher Sweets? For Jordans? But I'm with you.

more so than in most european countries, wouldn't you agree? what's the US unemployment rate currently, and how's your gov supporting the unemployed compared to their european counterparts? how about medical care for non-insured individuals (this is something I'll never, ever be able to understand) and homeless people? without having any hard facts at hand and based purely on the image that was painted to my by our press, I would assume that blue collar people have a shittier time on your side of the pond.

Anyway, on the militarisation of the US police, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) published a report on the general over-equipping and warrior mentality being built up. This has been going on long before the situation in Ferguson but has become more prominent due to its intensity and coverage in the media.

https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/file ... b-rel1.pdf

Flashbangs getting thrown in to properties just for minor drug searches are a bit ridiculous for one, especially with that case that one landed in a baby's crib and fucked the kid up...

Jurkhands wrote:more so than in most european countries, wouldn't you agree? what's the US unemployment rate currently, and how's your gov supporting the unemployed compared to their european counterparts? how about medical care for non-insured individuals (this is something I'll never, ever be able to understand) and homeless people? without having any hard facts at hand and based purely on the image that was painted to my by our press, I would assume that blue collar people have a shittier time on your side of the pond.

no doubt they do. funniest thing about it is that conservative states take far more money from the federal government than liberal states, yet all the rednecks hate the federal government. hence you get the "keep your government hands off my Medicare!!" people

the US unemployment rate is actually at a solid level, hovering just above 6%. slightly lower than the UK's I believe. With a "healthy" natural unemployment rate being around 5%, that's pretty good (when will Sean Hannity stop calling it "Obama's economy"?)

but you're completely right - the unemployed, uninsured, and homeless are treated like garbage in america in comparison to most european nations.

Jurkhands wrote:

nowaysj wrote:I'm with you dude. But in the US, are people fighting for the necessities of life? Are they fighting for food, water, shelter, medical care, life's actual essentials, or are they fighting for Swisher Sweets? For Jordans? But I'm with you.

more so than in most european countries, wouldn't you agree? what's the US unemployment rate currently, and how's your gov supporting the unemployed compared to their european counterparts? how about medical care for non-insured individuals (this is something I'll never, ever be able to understand) and homeless people? without having any hard facts at hand and based purely on the image that was painted to my by our press, I would assume that blue collar people have a shittier time on your side of the pond.

Jags you're really a jagoff if you think unemployment is at 6%. Our unemployment rate sucks. It sucks so bad that they stopped counting unemployed people. Yes the 400 richest people have more wealth than the 150,000,000 poorest. Homelessness is getting out of control. We have tent cities here in Cali. The local river is turning into a favela, they can't get rid of the homeless people. They sweep them out, and they just come back. Many of the homeless have mental issues or drug and alcohol problems, though. Not to say that there aren't competent people capable of productive work on the streets. I'm seeing A LOT more people living in vehicles, vans and campers. This is the new trend for 2014, 2015, you heard it here first. Don't even get me started on health care, it is so irrationally bad, I don't even want to talk about it.

Blue collar. Hard to say never having worked in your blue collar labor market, and haven't worked in my blue collar labor market for some time. As I understand it, according to wikipedia, the US is still the worlds largest manufacturer, producing a fifth of the total global manufacturing output? I don't know.

But I wouldn't trust your press. The distance created by the pond has been used to sell everything from face cream to totalitarianism. I know the European press is actively seeding hatred of Americans, who really, are having a very hard time of it. The interpersonal violence, and tension is getting quite high. There are many people high and fucked up. Hard times, about to get much much harder.

jags wrote:and he wasn't shouting "crazy shit". The only thing he said was "shoot me, shoot me now".

Not crazy at all, sorry!


poor jags