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i don't think counting on things that are impossible or highly improbable at best is the way forward.

if there's a mountain, you can always take the path around it

Parson wrote:there is a way to predict the future with remarkable accuracy.

its called examining the past.

ha yes

like i say i agree it's unlikely but not necessarily impossible. responsible capitalism would take a monumentally concerted effort to be sustained but it's doable

i haven't found the pass yet myself. still circling the mountain with a hawk eye

She looks really hot here... looks like she even may have had some junk in le trunk (one on right)




i woulda hit it

ice is one helluva (weight loss) drug....

Excellent, nice to see some intelligent debate for a change. For anyone that thinks it's not down to the individual and should be down to governments and business to sort out, you really should check yo'self before you wreck yo'self and everybody else. You can vote (for the limited amount of use that has) and you can make informed choices.

FYI - the carbon footprint allowance for a year is a one-way ticket from Britain to Canada - and that means no heating and no heating for the rest of the year. If you're using more than that then you're part of the problem.

The carbon treaties that are being agreed as Elgato said are for 2050, but seeing as some predictions are pointing towards problems kicking in much earlier, that's way too late.

co2 laws are another hamster wheel =P

Shonky wrote: FYI - the carbon footprint allowance for a year is a one-way ticket from Britain to Canada - and that means no heating and no heating for the rest of the year. If you're using more than that then you're part of the problem.

The carbon treaties that are being agreed as Elgato said are for 2050, but seeing as some predictions are pointing towards problems kicking in much earlier, that's way too late.

FYI - Goverment/media hype.


Just can't wait to be charged carbon taxes...

Parson wrote:co2 laws are another hamster wheel =P

Yeah, true Parson, horse bolted long ago on that one.

Nice to have you back on the debating tip fella by the way

tempest wrote: FYI - Goverment/media hype.


Just can't wait to be charged carbon taxes...

Majority of scientists agree that the massive increase in climate change is man made - sure there are people that are looking to make money out of this too (always some arseholes), but listening to the few (generally business backed) naysayers isn't going to help.

Shonky wrote:

tempest wrote: FYI - Goverment/media hype.


Just can't wait to be charged carbon taxes...

Majority of scientists agree that the massive increase in climate change is man made - sure there are people that are looking to make money out of this too (always some arseholes), but listening to the few (generally business backed) naysayers isn't going to help.

Yeah sorry bruv the way I put that was pure arseholism... To be honest i'm not a scientist myself and even they can't agree on whats going on so I don't know what we/I can do that is going to help...

Just pisses me off that as with anything in the developed world atm, the cycle of media hype, masses hype up, fat cats make dosh/persue whatever they are aiming for, just keeps on going round and round..

tempest wrote:

Shonky wrote:

tempest wrote: FYI - Goverment/media hype.


Just can't wait to be charged carbon taxes...

Majority of scientists agree that the massive increase in climate change is man made - sure there are people that are looking to make money out of this too (always some arseholes), but listening to the few (generally business backed) naysayers isn't going to help.

Yeah sorry bruv the way I put that was pure arseholism... To be honest i'm not a scientist myself and even they can't agree on whats going on so I don't know what we/I can do that is going to help...

Just pisses me off that as with anything in the developed world atm, the cycle of media hype, masses hype up, fat cats make dosh/persue whatever they are aiming for, just keeps on going round and round..

There's actually a pretty reasonable level of concensus between scientists on some this stuff - but it just doesn't come through in the media. Largely because scientists are often poor at communicating their messages as well as some well funded campaigns by people on the other side of the coin who can.

tempest wrote:Just pisses me off that as with anything in the developed world atm, the cycle of media hype, masses hype up, fat cats make dosh/persue whatever they are aiming for, just keeps on going round and round..

Yeah, know what you're saying. Seems like every good cause has some exploiter on the back of it. Heard that a lot of fair trade basically goes to local elites and the original owners have been brought out by the megabucks. Even if I boycott companies I dislike, dare say my tax money will subsidize them somehow or other in business incentives and tax cuts.

Do what we can to reduce their money and power base I think.

For real...

Perhaps we all have to revert back to hunting and gathering... or at least farming our own fruit, veggies and meat... try and be self-sufficient instead of relying on the convienience of the world at the mo

co fukkin sign, temps

Vonboyage wrote:co fukkin sign, temps

word bruv...


But unfortunately i'm pretty much all talk even tho i'd like to do what i'm saying... Ultimately because it's been made pretty much impossible for me to own land in my area(or most areas in australia) because of affordability... No excuses tho, i'll get on the veggie patch asap

tempest wrote:For real...

Perhaps we all have to revert back to hunting and gathering... or at least farming our own fruit, veggies and meat... try and be self-sufficient instead of relying on the convienience of the world at the mo

Wish I could afford a flat with a garden, and had a job that meant that I could buy local fruit and veg that didn't cost 3 times the price supermarkets charge. It is shit how something so necessary just becomes a bigger profit margin for opportunist stnuc.

i love it when i leave a lighthearted thread and come back to it a day later to find it has become a behemoth that bites at the core of the philosophical debate around human nature.

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