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logos and mumdance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

have to say i'm not feelin the logos & mumdance stuff.... will be the first keysound release I pass on for a long long time. but I suppose you cant please everyone all the time.

Interesting. It's my favourite keysound release of recent times

I prefer logos' stuff to the rest of the roster mostly

Seawolf>>>>>>>>>>>
Turrican 2>>>>>>>>>>

Militant soundsystem music

This whole "130" thing just gets more and more boring the more it develops imo. was much better when you had the divides between dubstep/grime/funky, much more variety. you'd think it'd be a good thing now it's just a melting pot but it tends to create music that references everything and loses the vibe of all of it.

the logos and mumdance stuff is just really disjointed and rhythmically absurd a lot of time.

anyway, im gonna shut up cos there are a lot of people who are loving this stuff and im honestly not trying to offend.

All views warmly welcomed JSML

Variety is key; I strongly support you in that. My aim is to nurture a creative space that allows us to zig zag between the influences you describe without a) playing records that actually are from those existing genres b) all sounding the same and c) have no space or vibe of their own. Sounds like it's not working for you but for us, compared to 2 years ago, we can now play 100% stuff from our own space, rather than have to try to weave in tracks from other scenes.

jsml wrote:anyway, im gonna shut up cos there are a lot of people who are loving this stuff and im honestly not trying to offend.

lol it's a forum bro u've said nothing that should offend. interested in hearing ur opinion, don't feel you should never be negative

jsml wrote:the logos and mumdance stuff is just really disjointed and rhythmically absurd a lot of time.

that's part of what i like about it. that and the brutal edge a lot of it has

tbh i sort of agree about what ur saying about 130. it's quite hit and miss with me. i find a fair bit of it really very dull and a fair bit of it interesting and great musically.



EDIT: from a few pages back

jsml wrote:Keysound will continue to impress, they always do. You'll see.... I wonder whats next? Would love a bit of Mista Men or E.m.m.a or even more LHF! and Sully - Rise the Machines Rmx!

Also, when is the next show? I'm getting withdrawls.

jsml wrote:When is the next Rinse show? I feel like it's been ages.

jsml wrote:Show is this thursday yeah? Looking forward. Seems like it's been ages.

ur getting bored now?

blackdown wrote:My aim is to nurture a creative space that allows us to zig zag between the influences you describe without a) playing records that actually are from those existing genres

tbf u are playing records from those genres (grime, dubstep etc.)

im sure you'll be playing JT, murlo, mssingno, breen et al on sunday which tbh is straight grime

i agree with the rest of ur post tho

I'm defo not into the sort of musical pastiche shit where the first half of a bar has a garage shuffle and the second has trap hat rolls and every 8th bar theres an oldskool jungle mentasm. That's not having wide influences, that's just pure referencing other sounds, and TBH some of the tunes that get played on D&B go into that territory. On the other hand though, several of the producers that get pushed through this show come with their own complete landscape of sounds in the same way Burial, Vex'd, Toasty or Kode9 did back in the day. Beneath, Epoch and the LHF crew for instance. You know when one of those guys' tunes drop.

Big ups!

dididub wrote:

blackdown wrote:im sure you'll be playing JT, murlo, mssingno, breen et al on sunday which tbh is straight grime

JT I'll give you - he actually comes from an actual grime crew. The others I like a lot but I'd contest they're core/classic grime, especially murlo and mssingno. This isnt a value judgment btw, just an observation around their style. And Logan agrees with me.

And as for Harkat, I think you raise and interesting point ("garage shuffle and the second has trap hat rolls and every 8th bar theres an oldskool jungle mentas - that's just pure referencing other sounds"). What I would say is to look at the bigger picture in 2013: what we're swimming against, all that bland house, "future garage", tepid grey techno not to mention EDM and brostep.

Part of the swimming against that is bringing the sounds we like(d) back together, throwing them all in a melting pot and seeing what comes out. Now, we began this process several years ago in all honesty and what i've observed is not everything will work first time, there's a natural cycle of iteration, trial and error, imprecision, lack of clear identity - but that's fine, that journey is rewarding.

blackdown wrote:And Logan agrees with me.

@djlogansama: @tbotmtl I didn't know who Murlo was until 2 weeks ago. And many of those productions don't work in short MC sets

grime productions haven't had to be built short MC sets for years (butterz is a perfect example).

blackdown wrote:The others I like a lot but I'd contest they're core/classic grime, especially murlo and mssingno.

breen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peE52xsrpJs https://soundcloud.com/breen/h-o-l-l-o-w-wen-on-butterz

mssingno: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owlwpnNC6hU

murlo: https://soundcloud.com/djmurlo/murlo-pharaohs


a lot of murlo's dancehall influenced stuff i'd still call straight grime (like distance's metal influenced stuff i'd call straight dubstep). he does produce other stuff as well tho.

it doesn't sound like it was written 10 years ago so not core/classic grime yh but it's definitely grime. a lot of it almost experimental and almost all of it fresh but i still disagree with

blackdown wrote:My aim is to nurture a creative space that allows us to zig zag between the influences you describe without playing records that actually are from those existing genres

out of interest would you say that the sort of stuff slackk plays isn't straight grime?

jsml wrote:have to say i'm not feelin the logos & mumdance stuff.... will be the first keysound release I pass on for a long long time. but I suppose you cant please everyone all the time.

lol logos & mumdance is the BEST release, Im into their stuff alot more that wen and cru

blackdown wrote:This Sunday 7pm on Rinse, pre Fabric warm up: Butterz v Keysound

Elijah & Skilliam v Dusk + Blackdown v Wen v Logos + Mumdance v Luke Benjamin v Moleskin v Parris. E.m.m.a. on studio vibes.

Session was alot!!

blackdown wrote:we're swimming against, all that bland house, "future garage", tepid grey techno not to mention EDM and brostep.

literally cant put into words how bored i am of straight house and techno right now lol

every gig my mates wanna go to is a fucking tech house night ffs theres only so much swamp81 a guy can take

even when i saw cosmin and martyn recently they played a load of duff duff duff )-:

blackdown wrote:What I would say is to look at the bigger picture in 2013: what we're swimming against, all that bland house, "future garage", tepid grey techno not to mention EDM and brostep.

it's not really an us vs them thing though

blackdown wrote:
And as for Harkat, I think you raise and interesting point ("garage shuffle and the second has trap hat rolls and every 8th bar theres an oldskool jungle mentas - that's just pure referencing other sounds"). What I would say is to look at the bigger picture in 2013: what we're swimming against, all that bland house, "future garage", tepid grey techno not to mention EDM and brostep.

You didn't seem that against the term "future garage" on futuregarageforum

too many bongos these days.

leave them to epoch.

Lye Form wrote: You didn't seem that against the term "future garage" on futuregarageforum

I didn't seem against it when I did the very first interview about it either.

i'm very open to the theory that things could be more garage influenced again: skippy, shuffled, rolling, percussive. that's because, you have to try things to find out but the practice didn't live up to that theory though did it? so we move on.

ye +1 "future garage" is so rigid most of the time. most 'future garage' producers have literally nix idea what constitutes decent garage drums.

I never realized how short dusk was until I saw that picture lol