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nowaysj wrote:What is the best Rhodes emulation out there?

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Hard to hold on to a Rhodes when you're living in your car, and the trunk won't close with the Rhodes in there.

FL Keys has a really great rhodes setting, takes a bit of tweaking to get it sounding more legit but i love it

mks wrote:

LUNCHPADDLE wrote:

mks wrote: Maybe I should sell my Rhodes. That idea pains me though.

DONT SELL THE RHODESS!!

argh i cant tell you how badly i want one, IF i had one id never ever let it go, a good one is hard to come by for an even close to affordable price.

i have to use plugins to emulate rhodes keys and i just WISH i had a real one.
its at the very top of my most wanted list hah!

What if I told you that I got that thing for $200? I was playing in a jazz trio with this guitarist who was moving down to LA and couldn't take it with him. He gave it to me for cheap.

As far as emulations, for VST's there is Electric in Ableton Live Suite and Lounge Lizard which are made by the same people. I've had better results using the Keyboards of the 60's and 70's card in a Roland JV-1080 and also just straight up sampling Rhodes chords off of a Jazz, Funk or R&B record.

duuuude! the one i want in my local music store is $2000!!! its literally in mint condition though..
far out dude. $200?! thats incredible!!

LUNCHPADDLE wrote:

mks wrote:

LUNCHPADDLE wrote:

mks wrote: Maybe I should sell my Rhodes. That idea pains me though.

DONT SELL THE RHODESS!!

argh i cant tell you how badly i want one, IF i had one id never ever let it go, a good one is hard to come by for an even close to affordable price.

i have to use plugins to emulate rhodes keys and i just WISH i had a real one.
its at the very top of my most wanted list hah!

What if I told you that I got that thing for $200? I was playing in a jazz trio with this guitarist who was moving down to LA and couldn't take it with him. He gave it to me for cheap.

As far as emulations, for VST's there is Electric in Ableton Live Suite and Lounge Lizard which are made by the same people. I've had better results using the Keyboards of the 60's and 70's card in a Roland JV-1080 and also just straight up sampling Rhodes chords off of a Jazz, Funk or R&B record.

duuuude! the one i want in my local music store is $2000!!! its literally in mint condition though..
far out dude. $200?! thats incredible!!

2000 doesn't seem unreasonable for a minty one. Then again, the owner little music shop in the little "down town" of the area I live said he has had the Rhodes in his shop for years YEARS. Its got a similar price tag, looks nice on the outside, I've played it a little and sounds good. He tries to sell it to me every time I'm in. Dude, a Rhodes wouldn't fit through any door at my house nor would it fit in any room...I live in a doll house.

So who else? Nowaysj is seriously enabling my gear lust...

I think it is more like resonance at this point.

Am looking at costs to rerubber a tascam 1/2 reel to reel.

nowaysj wrote:I think it is more like resonance at this point.

Am looking at costs to rerubber a tascam 1/2 reel to reel.

I hate to be "that guy" especially because I'm all about the hardware for a lot of things...but what is it you want out of 1/2inch RtR? There are so many good tape plugins you can get for a great price (by the way U-he Satin is fucking awesome. AWESOME. Best flanger I've ever heard). Is anyone even making 1/2inch tape anymore? There will also be future upkeep.

For what I want to get out of tape using cassette and VCRs (though I threw all my VCRs away as I never got any of them working properly or some reason) and plug ins gets me where I want to go. I'm not one of those "ooooooh the magic of recording to tape" guys. I'm just here to fuck up sound and I like using tape (or reasonable proxies) to do that.

Been hand warping cassettes lately with hair driers and candles lol

fragments wrote:

nowaysj wrote:I think it is more like resonance at this point.

Am looking at costs to rerubber a tascam 1/2 reel to reel.

I hate to be "that guy" especially because I'm all about the hardware for a lot of things...but what is it you want out of 1/2inch RtR? There are so many good tape plugins you can get for a great price (by the way U-he Satin is fucking awesome. AWESOME. Best flanger I've ever heard). Is anyone even making 1/2inch tape anymore? There will also be future upkeep.

For what I want to get out of tape using cassette and VCRs (though I threw all my VCRs away as I never got any of them working properly or some reason) and plug ins gets me where I want to go. I'm not one of those "ooooooh the magic of recording to tape" guys. I'm just here to fuck up sound and I like using tape (or reasonable proxies) to do that.

Been hand warping cassettes lately with hair driers and candles lol

Yeah, people are still making tape. Quantegy is making a right proper hot tape. The only plugin that I've heard that tickled me was uad's studer a800, and only in their demo, so I don't know if its legit. I haven't heard anything else that sounds like tape. The magic is recording to tape, not recording digital, going to tape, then back to digital.

I've really like vcr, not enough! It is just not built for recording.

There is a lot to it, from sound, to some of the constraints, the the tangibility and ultimately, the realness. There are also sound design things you can do with tape, and in particular reel to reel that are very close to my ear's heart. I've been recreating some of that action digitally for a while now, and am getting pretty good at faking it, but if I have the opportunity to not fake it...

nowaysj wrote:

fragments wrote:

nowaysj wrote:I think it is more like resonance at this point.

Am looking at costs to rerubber a tascam 1/2 reel to reel.

I hate to be "that guy" especially because I'm all about the hardware for a lot of things...but what is it you want out of 1/2inch RtR? There are so many good tape plugins you can get for a great price (by the way U-he Satin is fucking awesome. AWESOME. Best flanger I've ever heard). Is anyone even making 1/2inch tape anymore? There will also be future upkeep.

For what I want to get out of tape using cassette and VCRs (though I threw all my VCRs away as I never got any of them working properly or some reason) and plug ins gets me where I want to go. I'm not one of those "ooooooh the magic of recording to tape" guys. I'm just here to fuck up sound and I like using tape (or reasonable proxies) to do that.

Been hand warping cassettes lately with hair driers and candles lol

Yeah, people are still making tape. Quantegy is making a right proper hot tape. The only plugin that I've heard that tickled me was uad's studer a800, and only in their demo, so I don't know if its legit. I haven't heard anything else that sounds like tape. The magic is recording to tape, not recording digital, going to tape, then back to digital.

I've really like vcr, not enough! It is just not built for recording.

There is a lot to it, from sound, to some of the constraints, the the tangibility and ultimately, the realness. There are also sound design things you can do with tape, and in particular reel to reel that are very close to my ear's heart. I've been recreating some of that action digitally for a while now, and am getting pretty good at faking it, but if I have the opportunity to not fake it...

I think the big thing for me is I didn't work much with tape. A little bit with 1/4inch recording some business conferences with my dad in the early 90's. If I had more time/money to invest into my work I'd like to try recording directly to 1/2inch tape for a project just for the hell of it.

I was just curious about your reasoning. I know a few people whose 1/2inch machines are basically decorations in their studio.

Names, and numbers please.

Yeah, that is a possibility, I do have some very large paper weights. If I could do this for 5 hundo for everything, I think it would be worth it. I've heard quality tape, and it just tickles me. One of the reasons I just went op-1 crazy. And my process on the computer has sort of been coalescing to where I'm finding a way that I like to work, and tape manipulation is at the heart of that.

You know, buying and selling gear, I see the buying as a rental fee. If I could rent a 1/2 inch reel to reel for 100 or 200 hundred bucks for a year, I'd probably do it, you know, no loss! But the fucking tape bro, like a hundred bucks for 2500'. Shit is EXPENSIVE. And at 15 ips, shit is just getting eaten up.

So I already have a "performance" oriented analog filter (Electrix Filter Factory) and just got the Korg Kaoss Pad 3. I'm curious if any of your gear heads know of any other performance oriented hardware. Could be digital or analog don't really care. I'm having trouble even googling anything, not sure about key words to use.

OTO Biscuit is interesting...but shit at that price I might as well buy a used Monomachine and use it just as an FX unit...

fragments wrote:I'm curious if any of your gear heads know of any other performance oriented hardware.

SunkLo wrote:

fragments wrote:I'm curious if any of your gear heads know of any other performance oriented hardware.

fair play

I guess I should have been more specific ;p Looking for FX units, playable ones.

Have already looked into Electrix MoFx, OTO Biscuit, Pionneer RMX 1000, etc...

Haha, cracking myself up before I say it: sp 404sx. Crazy playable fx.

Have to also say: ableton. It is designed to be mapped suppppper easy, and capable of crazy fx.

I just began scratching the surface with maschine as a controller and an Apc 40.

Looooved it.

This thread has persuaded me to get my SP404 out and see what more I can do with it than I have before. haha

Got any tips for fun things to try with it I might not have thought of?

nowaysj wrote:Haha, cracking myself up before I say it: sp 404sx. Crazy playable fx.

Have to also say: ableton. It is designed to be mapped suppppper easy, and capable of crazy fx.

I just began scratching the surface with maschine as a controller and an Apc 40.

Looooved it.

I'd be curious to know more about this as I was semi-tempted to buy one before.

When you say playable FX, what exactly do you mean? Also, can you just run audio through the SP404sx? Or do you have to use audio loaded onto the device?

You can run audio through them yeah.

It's versatile, I really like it for just classic beat making. Sample some sounds, some drums (I usually transfer dilla drums on the card), and just get to it. Keep a synth next to you, for further sounds.

The thig I like the most about the 404sx, is just taking a break from computer based production. Honestly I'm a bit hooked on the control available on he comp, but too much time on there and you kind of get burned out or uninspired.

I like to get off the computer, get on my kitchen table, with the little 404, an iPad or microkorg.

Just magic happens. The limitations of the 404, requires work arounds, I don't even use the sequencer, just start with the musical sample, play and tweak that, chop it up, the fx can seriously transform your sounds, I like screwing on there. Then resample to a pad playing the beat. Once that is resampled, resample again while playing drums over the beat.

At that point copy that pretty stacked beat to a few pads, and chop and fx segments of that beat.

Now do another round of resampling, playing that beat with its variations.

Then maybe drop in some atmo synths, incidentals, things to emphasize the beat or to break it up, bass if you need it. Fx that stuff.

Now all you're fx should be baked in to everything, play the beat and resample and do those synth pads , atmos, incidentals.

Then smash the whole mix with a little vinyl fx, then smash with its dirty comp into the computer.

Now it is so smashed, prolly have to do drum reinforcement if ur as dirty as me.

PROFIT

microwave workflow 101

Typed on iPhone ftw. Fucking changed resample to red apple 1000 x's

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Frag, check those boiler rooms I posted in the beat makers thread, or was that here? Diabase and ras g, see what they are doing? Playing beats, and then just dropping fx on to the beat to chop it up and break it.

The 404's have 6 momentary fx buttons, one is a multi fx, which can be any of 24 fx.

You can just hit an fx button and ur in the fx, then tap out.