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ultraspatial wrote:i'm well familiar with singer bro. What i was trying to say is that it's bullshit to complain about the way an animal is treated if you still want to eat it. Obvs less suffering is good, but it doesn't matter if you still consume it. Go vegan or go home imo

Why? If an animal has a decent life and then gets instantly killed without noticing it, I would be much more in support of eating that than torturing the animal for a lifetime and then bleeding it dry.

You seem to suggest that the eating itself is torture. But the animal can't comprehend the notion that it will be eaten some day. If you give an animal a good life, this is all it will know about. And if suddenly the lights go out, it's no different from it going to sleep. But animals can comprehend endless pain.

You're projecting your morality of how animals should be treated onto the animal itself, as if it agrees with you.

^ nice one man

Vegan is a JOKE!

I saw a video ( i think) where a vegan guy was saying oh vegan lifestyle is so health unlike meat eating, then he was like we can eat oeros and foasted cereal. At that point, he should have got hit in the face super hard. ( i remember now, it was that big vegan doc on netflix)

Vegan is unhealthy bullshit. Any diet to allows junk food as normal is shot it, bitch please don't waste my time.

A diet that includes meat doesn't allow junkfood? And you know that 'allows' doesn't mean 'requires', right?

ultraspatial wrote:i'm well familiar with singer bro. What i was trying to say is that it's bullshit to complain about the way an animal is treated if you still want to eat it. Obvs less suffering is good, but it doesn't matter if you still consume it. Go vegan or go home imo

And this is because you are unable to distinguish between eating an animal that has been killed painlessly after a decent life and one that's tortured and suffers.

You talk of hypocrisy but in saying obviously less suffering is good but it doesn't matter if the animal suffers if it's killed for food is contradictory. It either matters or it doesn't.

it's a good =/= it matters. It'll still taste the same

That probably makes sense in your head, meanwhile I'll occupy a world where the difference between good and bad matters.

scspkr99 wrote:If you can't see the difference between wanting to eat meat that is produced without the animal suffering and not caring whether an animal suffers then you can contend as muncey does that the only people who should care about the conditions of farmed animals is those that don't eat them.

Lol. You've literally not read a word I've put. I'll put it a little more plainly.

1. We should all care - and I do care - about animal living conditions.
2. We should constantly try - including farmers - to improve conditions that animals are brought up in.
3. Current conditions, in my opinion, aren't fulfilling those requirements. I suspect the majority of meat isn't produced in good conditions.
4. Average Joe meat-eater in the street will be oblivious to point 3.. detach yourself from reality so you can feel okay eating meating. You can't really tell me that all meat eaters understand fully where their meat comes from and its made in good farming conditions and humanely killed can you? I assume kebabs are halal and drunk people have been eating those for years, nobody really gives a fuck when they're eating it.

My point is that most people have no interest where their meat comes from.. the average meat eater has never and will never make sure what they consume is from good farming conditions. Go into McDonalds and ask everybody what they think of animal cruelty and suffering, most people will say they're extremely against it, its sickening.. ask them if they know where the burger they're eating comes from. Nope, none. You know why? Cause they don't give a fuck, its easy to detach yourself from reality and be all high and mighty with your morals and live by absolutely none of them.

Fact is Daily Mail meat eaters do not care about the living conditions of the meat they eat, so yes it is hypocritical for them to call for the banning of halal meat.

Genevieve wrote:A diet that includes meat doesn't allow junkfood? And you know that 'allows' doesn't mean 'requires', right?

paleo diet
organic diet
natural diet

*normal lifestyle

Buy fresh, cook yourself and eat that. It's that simple. The reason why people in UK are fat, (excluding medicinal conditions) is that we eat too too much industry food filled with flavouring, e-numbers, regulatory, stabiliser and all sorts of bullshit. A pre made chicken wing is not the same as if i made that same dam chicken wing.

No diet should include junk food, unformtunely a lot of people are pussies and can't handle their desires. Drink shits lots of beer
Eat fish and chips like its water
Then More junk food like kfc, followed by fizzy pop and a chocolate for the size of 4 people
Then man drink 1 green tea and wonder why they haven't not lost weight like the IG picture said it would.

nitz wrote:

Genevieve wrote:A diet that includes meat doesn't allow junkfood? And you know that 'allows' doesn't mean 'requires', right?

paleo diet
organic diet
natural diet

*normal lifestyle

Buy fresh, cook yourself and eat that. It's that simple. The reason why people in UK are fat, (excluding medicinal conditions) is that we eat too too much industry food filled with flavouring, e-numbers, regulatory, stabiliser and all sorts of bullshit. A pre made chicken wing is not the same as if i made that same dam chicken wing.

No diet should include junk food, unformtunely a lot of people are pussies and can't handle their desires. Drink shits lots of beer
Eat fish and chips like its water
Then More junk food like kfc, followed by fizzy pop and a chocolate for the size of 4 people
Then man drink 1 green tea and wonder why they haven't not lost weight like the IG picture said it would.

You're avoiding the point.

nitz wrote:

Genevieve wrote:A diet that includes meat doesn't allow junkfood? And you know that 'allows' doesn't mean 'requires', right?

paleo diet
organic diet
natural diet

*normal lifestyle

Buy fresh, cook yourself and eat that. It's that simple. The reason why people in UK are fat, (excluding medicinal conditions) is that we eat too too much industry food filled with flavouring, e-numbers, regulatory, stabiliser and all sorts of bullshit. A pre made chicken wing is not the same as if i made that same dam chicken wing.

No diet should include junk food, unformtunely a lot of people are pussies and can't handle their desires. Drink shits lots of beer
Eat fish and chips like its water
Then More junk food like kfc, followed by fizzy pop and a chocolate for the size of 4 people
Then man drink 1 green tea and wonder why they haven't not lost weight like the IG picture said it would.

I eat KFC cos it's nice, not everyone has the time to make chicken, chips and gravy every the time they fancy it you absolute mug. Pussies and can't handle their desires, fuck off.

Must be so strong-willed cos you eat fresh and organic, how can I be like you?

I eat like between 5-10 servings of fresh fruit & veg everyday, doesn't stop me from enjoying a bit of junk food every now and then.

Genevieve wrote:

nitz wrote:

Genevieve wrote:A diet that includes meat doesn't allow junkfood? And you know that 'allows' doesn't mean 'requires', right?

paleo diet
organic diet
natural diet

*normal lifestyle

Buy fresh, cook yourself and eat that. It's that simple. The reason why people in UK are fat, (excluding medicinal conditions) is that we eat too too much industry food filled with flavouring, e-numbers, regulatory, stabiliser and all sorts of bullshit. A pre made chicken wing is not the same as if i made that same dam chicken wing.

No diet should include junk food, unformtunely a lot of people are pussies and can't handle their desires. Drink shits lots of beer
Eat fish and chips like its water
Then More junk food like kfc, followed by fizzy pop and a chocolate for the size of 4 people
Then man drink 1 green tea and wonder why they haven't not lost weight like the IG picture said it would.

You're avoiding the point.

Point being why should a meat diet including junk food? It should not, that's the point.

Liam92 wrote:

nitz wrote:

Genevieve wrote:A diet that includes meat doesn't allow junkfood? And you know that 'allows' doesn't mean 'requires', right?

paleo diet
organic diet
natural diet

*normal lifestyle

Buy fresh, cook yourself and eat that. It's that simple. The reason why people in UK are fat, (excluding medicinal conditions) is that we eat too too much industry food filled with flavouring, e-numbers, regulatory, stabiliser and all sorts of bullshit. A pre made chicken wing is not the same as if i made that same dam chicken wing.

No diet should include junk food, unformtunely a lot of people are pussies and can't handle their desires. Drink shits lots of beer
Eat fish and chips like its water
Then More junk food like kfc, followed by fizzy pop and a chocolate for the size of 4 people
Then man drink 1 green tea and wonder why they haven't not lost weight like the IG picture said it would.

I eat KFC cos it's nice, not everyone has the time to make chicken, chips and gravy every the time they fancy it you absolute mug. Pussies and can't handle their desires, fuck off.

Must be so strong-willed cos you eat fresh and organic, how can I be like you?

Who wants to chicken chips and gravy everyday? once a week seems reasonable, in which case you can make it. It might even taste better

Man up, thats how you do it

It's merely a perception that KFC taste to, the salt and flavouring has a biological impact. Once you cook your own stuff, you will soon release how bullshit fast food really is.

^ lol this guy

nitz wrote:Point being why should a meat diet including junk food? It should not, that's the point.

No, the point was that just because that one guy eats vegan and chooses to stuff his face with junkfood doesn't mean that it's apart of being on a 'vegan diet' and you can be vegan and eat non-processed food exclusively.

Genevieve wrote:

nitz wrote:Point being why should a meat diet including junk food? It should not, that's the point.

No, the point was that just because that one guy eats vegan and chooses to stuff his face with junkfood doesn't mean that it's apart of being on a 'vegan diet' and you can be vegan and eat non-processed food exclusively.

Ok ok I see. I'm assuming that you're vegan then? I'm interesting in knowing what kind of foods do vegans/you eat on a daily basics? What do you sub meat with for example?

What kind of response is there to what so may call a deficient in diet etc?

nitz wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

nitz wrote:Point being why should a meat diet including junk food? It should not, that's the point.

No, the point was that just because that one guy eats vegan and chooses to stuff his face with junkfood doesn't mean that it's apart of being on a 'vegan diet' and you can be vegan and eat non-processed food exclusively.

Ok ok I see. I'm assuming that you're vegan then? I'm interesting in knowing what kind of foods do vegans/you eat on a daily basics? What do you sub meat with for example?

What kind of response is there to what so may call a deficient in diet etc?

I'm not vegan. I eat a shitton of meat, turkey is a good source of protein and I lift weights. It was more about your logic in that instance.

nitz wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

nitz wrote:Point being why should a meat diet including junk food? It should not, that's the point.

No, the point was that just because that one guy eats vegan and chooses to stuff his face with junkfood doesn't mean that it's apart of being on a 'vegan diet' and you can be vegan and eat non-processed food exclusively.

Ok ok I see. I'm assuming that you're vegan then? I'm interesting in knowing what kind of foods do vegans/you eat on a daily basics? What do you sub meat with for example?

What kind of response is there to what so may call a deficient in diet etc?

Lentils/beans are a good substitute for meat.

nitz wrote:Who wants to chicken chips and gravy everyday?

You've never had KFC gravy have you?

But seriously life without KFC and beer would be the worst.. end up calling coke things like "fizzy pop". Fuck that, hand me the gravy and Stella.