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Delendi wrote:BY the way diss... i know someone shotting barry manilow tickets. fonti you wanti?

how much and when for, dear?

Diss04 wrote:

Parson wrote:i hear that! the 20s were as bad as puberty

oh great

people are tlaking pish man, im half way through my twenties and theyve been GRREEEAAATTTT

frebentos wrote:

Diss04 wrote:

Parson wrote:i hear that! the 20s were as bad as puberty

oh great

people are tlaking pish man, im half way through my twenties and theyve been GRREEEAAATTTT

yeah....i remember thinking that at 24......"This is the best time evar!!"

Then came 25....26...27....by the time 28 came around, I was stupid tired of my 20's. There isn't enough money in the world that would convince me to go back. I dun look a day over 24 max but I sure as hell feel 31. And....I like it.

Hooray 30's!

really!?!? But surly your 30's will go the same way, good till about 35 then shit till 40 then good to 45 then shit till 50?

frebentos wrote:

Diss04 wrote:

Parson wrote:i hear that! the 20s were as bad as puberty

oh great

people are tlaking pish man, im half way through my twenties and theyve been GRREEEAAATTTT

yep, exactly whats me thinking! frikkin brilliant!

frebentos wrote:really!?!? But surly your 30's will go the same way, good till about 35 then shit till 40 then good to 45 then shit till 50?

nah....because the 20's are full of self-importance and selfishness and expression of newly gained freedoms with no wisdom of forethought or the vantage point of deep empathy. Its hedonism mixed in a cocktail with a dash of pride and two fingers of arrogance.

The latter half of the 20s are spent realizing you're not the center of the universe. That bad things happen to good people. That people are generally self-interested and that the shallow existence you've trained yourself to believe is the ultimate in life is just acting and entertainment compared to things that really matter, i.e. honesty, loyalty, wisdom, grace. Besides the fact that you typically make a bit more money towards the latter half than the former and salaries typically increase over time...

So the 30's seem to be this place where you're not puttin on airs, you really know who you are, you choose your friends based on virtues that are meaningful to you, and you actually have more money to do with what you wish...

20's= ramen
30's= fettucine alfredo

the 20's are invaluable as I have learned a lot going through them but I wouldn't wanna repeat the paths I had to take to get out of them for those lessons. Glad to be on this side, where I know all that shit and don't have to feel the pain of gaining that knowledge.

Delendi wrote:bellybelle 31... lies, surely?



this is me stroking a snake while it's laying on a ledge with it's tail hanging in a bin to have a shit.

How come there hasn't been any Delendi stroking snake innuendo?
Slack. VERY slack.

^no offence, but you can tell you live in the US...

edit: posting not quick enuff! that was for bellybelles comment...

Here's me chillin on a couch.

no offence belle but your twenties sound quite different from mine.
I dont and have never thought im "centre of the universe"

I would say from 17 to 20 I was more like that, in fact id DEFINTLEY say i was a lot like that. Not that everything revolved around me jsut that i had no foresight, and was only thinkgin about the then and there.

these things, "honesty, loyalty, wisdom, grace." have always mattered to me (or atleast I came to realise that more comgin INTO my twenties)

I choose my friends based on the qualities above, and woudl like to think I always have.

Im sorry, but I just think that what you describe above hasnt applied to my twenties thus far. I can deifntly see that my view point on life could change quite a bit from 25-30. My viewpoint on life hass changed dramaticlly from 20-25 but there a lot of outside factors that contributed to that.

triky wrote:^no offence, but you can tell you live in the US...

edit: posting not quick enuff! that was for bellybelles comment...

how so? Is the UK some kind of Utopia where people cease to function as people and are instead these elevated creatures? Human behavior is human behavior...especially in Western Civ. I mean, yeah, if you were talking about the difference between your 20's and 30's if you were from a 3rd world nation where your 20's are spent finding and raising a family, tending to crops, and stabilizing your personal economy; then yeah. But if you're in a "developed" nation, I'd imagine your experience of human nature is quite similar....

unless....all the cats in this forum in their 20's who lament over bad friendships and terrible love trials not from the US are lying....and for some reason, I don't think thats the case.

stop ruining a thread about poking fun @ secret ninjas' appearance!

frebentos wrote:no offence belle but your twenties sound quite different from mine.
I dont and have never thought im "centre of the universe"

I would say from 17 to 20 I was more like that, in fact id DEFINTLEY say i was a lot like that. Not that everything revolved around me jsut that i had no foresight, and was only thinkgin about the then and there.

these things, "honesty, loyalty, wisdom, grace." have always mattered to me (or atleast I came to realise that more comgin INTO my twenties)

I choose my friends based on the qualities above, and woudl like to think I always have.

Im sorry, but I just think that what you describe above hasnt applied to my twenties thus far. I can deifntly see that my view point on life could change quite a bit from 25-30. My viewpoint on life hass changed dramaticlly from 20-25 but there a lot of outside factors that contributed to that.

my 20s weren't horrific. but less than desirable. and everything I thought I knew about life, even by my mid-twenties, I realized I had no clue.

Its more like the 20's are full of "I know a lot and therefore you can't tell me anything". For my 30's, its been more, "I don't know a lot....I only know a little....And life is always changing...and I understand that and how it applies to me."

I dunno.... but even having this kinda reminds me of all those times I told my mom she didn't understand...that things were different and that I knew what I needed...that as much as I appreciated her opinion, it was no longer relevant to my position...yadda yadda. Somewhere around 30 I realized how much of what she said was true, but that I was all sorts of 20 and unreceptive so I never heard it.

Its necessary...completely necessary for development to have trials by fire. But I wouldn't say I enjoyed the fire and praised the burn. More that I enjoy the toughened skin as a result.

bellybelle wrote: unless....all the cats in this forum in their 20's who lament over bad friendships and terrible love trials .

that isnt the case with everyone though eh...

Also, you cant drink till your 21 over there and so when the restrictions are lifted its hedonism all the way eh? Whereas over here the restrictions are lifted a full 4 years beforehand, so yea, between the ages of 18 and say 21 it was insane, all i thought about where goign out, getting mad wae it, having a laugh and that was about it..but going farther into my twenties my viewpoint changed into what it is today, so in the states the equivalent of 18-21 woudl be 21-25 i guess...

I think we both went through the same kind of thing, maybe small differences here and there but at different points in our life due to the differences between our countires.

and sorry diss, no more twenties chat from me..

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bellybelle wrote: Its necessary...completely necessary for development to have trials by fire. But I wouldn't say I enjoyed the fire and praised the burn. More that I enjoy the toughened skin as a result.

digging your metaphor!

Yea tbh your twenties sound A LOT like my late teens, like thinkgin i knew better than my maw and da etc...same experiences different points id say.

frebentos wrote:Also, you cant drink till your 21 over there and so when the restrictions are lifted its hedonism all the way eh? Whereas over here the restrictions are lifted a full 4 years beforehand, so yea, between the ages of 18 and say 21 it was insane, all i thought about where goign out, getting mad wae it, having a laugh and that was about it..but going farther into my twenties my viewpoint changed into what it is today, so in the states the equivalent of 18-21 woudl be 21-25 i guess...

I think we both went through the same kind of thing, maybe small differences here and there but at different points in our life due to the differences between our countires.

meh. I'm not a big drinker but even if I were, I wouldn't have to wait til 21 in the US. Going to college in the US is as good as legal drinking age, especially as a girl. And I was a girl raised in NYC.....I had a decently early age of onset for hedonism. All being 21 means is that now you can pay $10 in a club for a drink you've been making at home for $3.50 for the last few years...

your views will change again as mine have. I know a lot of people who thought of 30 as the death of everything. Like, this is when you have to have a family and a real job with benefits and stuff. You can do that in your 20's if you like. Or you can not do that in your 30's too. I've never married....no babies...and I'm actually enjoying things a bit better now than I did then. I have the freedom to do what I like while making sure my basic needs are met and have a well-honed idea of whats ultimately important--with the liberty (minus a poor economy) to achieve it. I remember when I was in my 20's, I thought it was the last bit of my life left before I had to give it over to boring pursuits. Perhaps thats a bit different now too. Like, in my 20's, I'da been completely happy dancing all night, smoochin on some hot guy in the club, stayin out blowin up til 7am and getting up to do it all over again the next day. Now....I'm much more satisfied with a very nice dinner with a few close friends and coming home, making love, going to sleep, and waking up to make breakfast the next day.

If there were a time I'd envy, it would be mid-adolescence while I still didn't have financial responsibility over my life and my mom was still payin for everything. But once I moved out.....after leaving home, now is the best time for me.

Sorry Diss.....mad love to you for puttin up with not postin pics but then again, I posted pics before so meh hehehe

bellybelle wrote: your views will change again as mine have.

no doubt

bellybelle wrote: Now....I'm much more satisfied with a very nice dinner with a few close friends and coming home, making love, going to sleep, and waking up to make breakfast the next day.

I have a lot of friedsn in there thirties and they say the same thing.
Absolutly nothign wrong with that. No doubt il feel the same in a few more years time.

I think that though there will be similarities you experinace in life, your outllok on it is a completely idividual thing, made up of your enviroment, how you have been brought up ect. you can't universally put down a rule that people are a certain way at a certain age. the person you are at diffrent stages in you life depend upon the individual experiances you have gone through. I do agree that as you get older your outlook changes, it is bound to change as you experiance new things and influences.

bellybelle wrote:your views will change again as mine have. I know a lot of people who thought of 30 as the death of everything. Like, this is when you have to have a family and a real job with benefits and stuff. You can do that in your 20's if you like. Or you can not do that in your 30's too. I've never married....no babies...and I'm actually enjoying things a bit better now than I did then. I have the freedom to do what I like while making sure my basic needs are met and have a well-honed idea of whats ultimately important--with the liberty (minus a poor economy) to achieve it. I remember when I was in my 20's, I thought it was the last bit of my life left before I had to give it over to boring pursuits. Perhaps thats a bit different now too. Like, in my 20's, I'da been completely happy dancing all night, smoochin on some hot guy in the club, stayin out blowin up til 7am and getting up to do it all over again the next day. Now....I'm much more satisfied with a very nice dinner with a few close friends and coming home, making love, going to sleep, and waking up to make breakfast the next day.

that's a pretty sweeping generalisation of people. i'd say i've already largely done a lot of that without the "fire and burning". i've had a pretty easy life by most people's standards but you don't have to live through things to understand how life works. guess i'm just old before my time, it's all about juvenile maturity

badger wrote:that's a pretty sweeping generalisation of people. i'd say i've already largely done a lot of that without the "fire and burning". i've had a pretty easy life by most people's standards but you don't have to live through things to understand how life works. guess i'm just old before my time, it's all about juvenile maturity

Badger, I do not have the time to go and interview each and every individual in the Western Civ between the ages of 20-29 and then 30-39 so you'll have to forgive the generalization. On the whole, all the problems twentysomethings have, thirtysomethings have already been there, lived through it, and have had (usually) the vantage point of going through trying to prove their idea of existence is what is as opposed to realizing what is and how to best carve from that. If you have been a gifted twentysomething, thats awesome. I was also a gifted twentysomething and when I had this conversation back then with people who were older than me, I stood my ground and they laughed. Now that I'm closer to their age, I can see what they meant. And unfortunately, its one of those situations where you're not going to see it until you get older, which seems like a trite dismissal but there is absolutely no way of showing you what life will mean to you at 30 when you're self-satisfied at 20 or 25 because I don't have a time machine to show you how different things will be in the future or how time will temper you....how sometimes, time is the only thing that successfully changes you....and I'm not even gonna get into the whole Saturn revolution idea...

Here's to all the 20-somethings here. May you have an easy path. Stay open and not so stubborn and it will save you a lot of the heartache that typically marks that age bracket. And maybe when you're in the late 20's/early 30's and we still know each other, maybe then we can have a glass of Pinot Noir and talk about how many things changed and stayed the same....how much you knew vs what you actually know now.