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Some of u guys are blissfully ignorant of the history of certain DJs when you talk about selling out - you can fuk right off if you think I'm gonna elaborate on that but remember next time your going on and on and on about musical intergrity that its not just ppl who write cheesy/spazzy music who have sold out at some point in their lives!

exactly, I mean, you have got to make tunes to pay the bills havent you.

rob sparx wrote:Some of u guys are blissfully ignorant of the history of certain DJs when you talk about selling out - you can fuk right off if you think I'm gonna elaborate on that but remember next time your going on and on and on about musical intergrity that its not just ppl who write cheesy/spazzy music who have sold out at some point in their lives!

I feel you man. Anyone who puts their music, art, movie, book, etc... on sale has sold their fucking soul. They need to just admit it to themselves.

And people might produce tunes for themselves or whatever personal reasons they want to claim, but the minute you put it online, send it to a friend, put it on sale... you care what other people think. I think there's a fair amount of people who consistently lie to themselves about a couple of things...

1. This is a business first and foremost. That shit doesn't sell, you don't do anymore releases.
2. If your shit is on sale, you sold out. Period. End of discussion. Embrace it.

Me personally, I didn't sell out... I bought in. Enjoying every second of the ride myself.

Yea, maybe to pay the bills. Nobody sits around here all critical of paper pushers who spend all day looking at Dubstepforum instead of their menial retarded ass jobs, so why should people who aspire to make music for that paycheck be subjected to harassment for that? I would KILL to scrape even the most pitiful living out of being able to do something I love. Criticize all you want for that shit. Call me a sell out. Bills have to be paid, there's a finite number of hours in the day... time is money, either you get reimbursed for it or not. If not, I question your sanity.

You can be good at something AND get paid for it AND be true to yourself... but not all at once. You will give a little bit in every area or you will be a dismal failure at life. Everyone sells out at some point. Some just can't admit it to themselves.

surface_tension wrote: I feel you man. Anyone who puts their music, art, movie, book, etc... on sale has sold their fucking soul. They need to just admit it to themselves.

Thats a bit of an extreme view! Is selling music any more satanic than working for a bank? I'd say the only truly evil musician in this world is Jack Johnson he's sucking satans tool right now

surface_tension wrote:1. This is a business first and foremost. That shit doesn't sell, you don't do anymore releases.

I dont want to listen to any music made by musicians who think what they do is a business first and foremost. Ever.

Furthermore dubstep didn't sell for 6 years. "Sholay" was released on a pressing of 300. FWD was empty for years with less than 50 people attending month in, month out. Other pirates thought Rinse were mad when they took on dubstep DJs like Kode9.

And so if everyone who built it into what it is now had the 'if shit doesnt sell i wont do it' mentality there would be no dubstep. If shit doesn't sell, you carry on regardless because you believe in it: people will see the honesty in what you do.

Hahaha. When I opened this thread, I thought it would be about peoples thoughts on dubstep remixes of crunk & US hip hop tunes which would be quite funny to read, then, once I opened it, I realised to my horror it was ANOTHER thread moaing about aggy midrange. I'm getting so confused how so many of these threads start with people writing "I've looked on this forum and haven't found anything about this topic, so I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring(piece)" How have you missed em? There has to be a new one every week!?!

Dubstep is awesome because its so diverse. Being diverse doesn't mean its being dilluted. Infact, I reckon it shows how robust the genre is and I hope it continues.

(And before I get the torrent of arseholes saying "Fuck off, Rusko fan" or some other shit that's completely nonsensical and moronic, right now, I'm personally into the 2steppy, skippy, garage-influenced side of dubstep but I also love tunes by people like Numbernin6, 16Bit, Excision, 501, Ruckspin and Reso - what I'd call the heavier side of Dubstep or "Brostep", if you must).

Now for the torrent of abusive replys ......

blackdown wrote:

sibsonian wrote:There's good dubstep. There's bad dubstep.

sibsonian wrote:Opinions are like assholes. We all have them.

sibsonian wrote:If you don't like the music, stop bitching

sibsonian wrote:Everything in moderation, especially moderation.

sibsonian wrote:My 2 cents.......

Wow, I think my meaningless cliche-o-meter just went to 11!

Goes to show you how meaningless this topic is.

Kind of an unnecessary comment dude. I was merely trying to contribute to the conversation in a constructive manner. I dont understand what exaclty the point of trying to make me look foolish accomplishes. You've really crushed my spirits. Thanx bruv!! (Hope your sarcasm meter is turned on.)

blackdown wrote:

surface_tension wrote:1. This is a business first and foremost. That shit doesn't sell, you don't do anymore releases.

I dont want to listen to any music made by musicians who think what they do is a business first and foremost. Ever.

Furthermore dubstep didn't sell for 6 years. "Sholay" was released on a pressing of 300. FWD was empty for years with less than 50 people attending month in, month out. Other pirates thought Rinse were mad when they took on dubstep DJs like Kode9.

And so if everyone who built it into what it is now had the 'if shit doesnt sell i wont do it' mentality there would be no dubstep. If shit doesn't sell, you carry on regardless because you believe in it: people will see the honesty in what you do.

i agree

also even if something just breaks even or even makes a modest loss if it is worth doing and has a positive impact then why not do it as long as you can afford it?

o yeah and so called 'brostep' is horrible but at least if it was actually called "brostep" it would be easier to avoid

slothrop wrote:what was really exciting about dubstep was that it was kind of diametrically opposed to almost everything else that was around at the time by still being dance music but feeling really slow and really spacey and really focussed on the sub-bass. People could pick up different levels of dance from it - busting out some proper moves to the garagey swing in the hihats, skanking gently on the halfstep, or basically just zoning out and getting into a kind of deep mental zone in the depth of the sub bass. This is part of the reason it appealed to so many people who were fed up with wall to wall bangers at breaks nights or dnb nights and wanted something a bit different and a bit deeper. I think it's also part of the reason that the vibe was so famously nice at the early dubstep nights.

This is what some miss & others, unfortunately, missed.

I agree with what I think Tacosheros, Siberia & Seckle are saying:
many live sets of late have suffered for lack of stylistic* light & shade.
Dance options, some beautifully described in the quote above, have lessened.


* using adjectives & referring to styles of ds would be less divisive than talking about subgenres

spacer wrote: i understand that styles evolve, but i think we need to take caution. i'm not going to name names, but some tunes just turn the dancefloor into backwards baseball cap brofest. i'd hate to have another style of music that i enjoy playing and dancing to get morphed into an unpalatable mush of midrange madness.

just because brostep is dubstep, and you enjoy dubstep, doesn't mean you have to play it and dance to it!

just go by what sounds you like, rather than genres.

I wanted to add one caveat: of course its possible to have a solidly good, original sound AND make money off of it -- that is of course the ultimate dream for any artist. well that along with the groupies and free drugs. I reckon Dark Side of the Moon still holds the record for most weeks spent on Billboard, is commercial as fuck yet is still probably my favorite album of all time. And it continues to inspire hundreds of artists, which is a testament to its creative worth.

I think the wanking is directed at artists who knowingly replicate (or rip off) popular artists because they think they can glom on to some of the fame and success which somebody else was responsible for originating. This is where audio loses its originality, when artists try to sound like the best seller because the desire to make money supercedes the desire to create something new. When people start legitimizing the copycat stuff is when a genre starts to become inbred.

Because there are 10 fold more music producers around the globe now than even just 10 years ago, I don't think this will actually be a problem for dubstep. There is so much fucking shit being uploaded to the internet every day, you'd never have to listen to the same track twice for the rest of your life! That's why you should go out and find new sounds instead of playing with what you are familiar with, simply because you can, and its good to keep your brainhole limber.

blackdown won the thread

now everyone can leave it alone

blackdown wrote:I dont want to listen to any music made by musicians who think what they do is a business first and foremost. Ever.

Not making it. Selling it. I want to listen to good music and don't much give a damn what the motives of the producer were. If they did it for profit means very little. All that matters is whether my ass is shaking.

Furthermore dubstep didn't sell for 6 years. "Sholay" was released on a pressing of 300. FWD was empty for years with less than 50 people attending month in, month out. Other pirates thought Rinse were mad when they took on dubstep DJs like Kode9.

And so if everyone who built it into what it is now had the 'if shit doesnt sell i wont do it' mentality there would be no dubstep. If shit doesn't sell, you carry on regardless because you believe in it: people will see the honesty in what you do.

Sholay sold out though didn't it? Did those 300 copies have trouble shifting? Not at all. I'm not talking about sheer numbers man. They put 300 copies on sale did they not? So like, they put it out for money... they didn't just give it away? Big Up. You put out records yourself... I'm sure money isn't the motive for doing what you do... but do you turn it down? Surely not. I don't see you giving your stuff away man. And that is all I'm saying. People should be able to give music a shot as a career if they want to. You can feel free to disagree obviously. I won't soon look down my nose at the notion that someone could have that desire.

I'm not saying you should only make shit on the basis of whether or not you think it will sell. I am saying that it'd be stupid to put something out that you think is going to lose it's ass. Because it is a business. Lose your distributor or your own money enough times and the reality will set in. Oh shit, this is a business.

Graphic designers might have Oil painting as their true passion and design CGI for a job. That doesn't mean you've somehow sold out your artistic vision. You have bills to pay. I'm not here to judge someones motives, just the end product as a consumer myself.

surface_tension wrote:
Graphic designers might have Oil painting as their true passion and design CGI for a job. That doesn't mean you've somehow sold out your artistic vision. You have bills to pay. I'm not here to judge someones motives, just the end product as a consumer myself.

That doesn't work too well when dubstep is both the passion and the job. The two are inseperable especially when your music is being released.

dj_rasheed wrote:

symbl wrote:

claw wrote:for those that missed it in the anti-borgwhore thread before it was deleted.....

ultrablacks music is ear rape

discuss.

It is ear rape, but it isn't ear sex.

It's ear love making

I think the UB/BG collab should be called "UltraBroGore"

LOL someone tried to claim that sending music to your friend = selling out.

this thread is fucked, seriously

collige wrote:

surface_tension wrote:
Graphic designers might have Oil painting as their true passion and design CGI for a job. That doesn't mean you've somehow sold out your artistic vision. You have bills to pay. I'm not here to judge someones motives, just the end product as a consumer myself.

That doesn't work too well when dubstep is both the passion and the job. The two are inseperable especially when your music is being released.

That was kinda my point... just because it is a job doesn't mean it cannot be a passion as well. I think to ignore the obvious point that music is a business the moment you put it on sale is kinda dumb though ya know what I mean?

People act as though calling it a business means it can't be soulful, fun or involve actual joy... I disagree.

green eggs and sam wrote:

symbl wrote:

claw wrote:for those that missed it in the anti-borgwhore thread before it was deleted.....

ultrablacks music is ear rape

discuss.

It is ear rape, but it isn't ear sex.

It's ear love making

I think the UB/BG collab should be called "UltraBroGore"

I prefer ear BDSM. Torture that feels incredible.