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parson wrote:tl;dr

Motorway to Roswell wrote:Has anyone considered that people saying there are aliens are the aliens?

Also, are we talking physically alien or mentally alien?

Like someone said earlier, it could all be symbolism.

Motorway to Roswell wrote:I don't like or see why all these threads become arguments. Nonsensical.

I'll try and keep the discussion going by reposting something I posted earlier that got lost in the arguing.

Motorway to Roswell wrote:Has anyone considered that people saying there are aliens are the aliens?

Also, are we talking physically alien or mentally alien?

Like someone said earlier, it could all be symbolism.

These all happened last year. For those who need to know there are 3 bodies. the physical, the etheric and the astral.
The etheric is an energy body an energetic double of us. It does NOT normally leave the body.. it can be forced to by technology.
The astral body can travel at will or while sleeping or seems to be able in my experience to be pulled put of the body also.

Those who have astral traveled know it is very real. I have done so many times although my control sucks and I'm not good at it I've done it. It is NOT a dream it is a different experience.

I know through personal experience that when the etheric body is ripped out of a person it leaves them feeling very sick, with a bad headache, nausea and a lot of weakness in the physical body. I had had this happen over the years but did not understand what it was until early last year.

None of these experiences involved shape shifting. the "things" wer what they were, they stayed the same.

Ok 1st experience. I awoke in my etheric body, My astral AND etheric body were together, I came into contact with a reptilian entity.... it was unpleasant.. I knew I had been there many times before. He wanted something I did not want to give him (I will not be crass, read between the lines).

He was about 5'11 to 6'1". He was a mottled green brown color with skin like a box turtle's feet (best example I can be sure of I'm not around many reptilians) he had little fat on his body, he had feet with longer than normal toes and hands with longer tha normal fingers, he was muscular, he had no hair on his body anywhere, (he was not clothed) he was like a human male sexually but I could not see testicals, he spoke telepathically, his face was like many of the reptilian pictures you se on the net(I had not seen a picture of one before this experience never even heard of them), he was heavier boned than a normal human, he did NOT have wings or horns etc.

Also present were small typical greys. They followed his instructions. the setting was a normal type room, very sterile, with no medical stuff, white walls, overhead light, large bed.

I fought with him.. he was NOT expecting me to do this. I then came back to my body. The reason I count this as a real experience and not a dream or illusion is because when my astral body returned to my physical body I could feel him pounding my etheric body's head into a wall. Physically feel it. The more I laughed at him in the physical the more my head was pounded. Then my etheric body came back and it was over.

Not too long after that I awoke again in my etheric body I was aware because my astral body was there in my etheric body. I was strapped to a chair that was rather like a barbers chair, it was leaned back. I was being electrocuted... I now know what a silent scream really feels like... believe me you don't want to. I believe this was being done to attempt to refracture me since I had awakened in the previous story. It felt like I was there maybe 20-30 minutes. I remember seeing a similar reptilian by my chair. Most of the time I was staring at the ceiling and screaming, but I saw the same or a similar reptilian with no doubt. He seemed to be in charge. I was not spoken to. he was standing. I could not see if he had a tail etc, he was always facing me.

The last one I cannot swear by, the first 2 I could pass a lie detector on LOL. THis one was real to me but did it really happen? I believe so but I am not 100 percent.
I suddenly became aware, I do not know if my etheric body was there I believe it was. I was on a large hammock in a park setting.. there were people around, beside me was a larger reptilian, maybe 7 1/2 or 8 feet tall, same skin as above, BUT he had wings, and a tail, we were conversing telepathically, he was moving reality in front of me trying to show me what I could have if I would come to their side so to speak, he wanted me to give over my will to him, in return I would be rewarded with amazing things. I was not cooperative.
The one thing that convinced me this was real more than anything else was the "slave" he called out to a woman and she approached us, she did what he asked her to and I was appalled to my very core.. but the look on her face and what I felt from her.. those things I will remember until I die. I told him to tell her to stop.. she was so grateful.. no dream I have ever had had that kind of emotion coming from another Being or person. I knew then if I agreed I would be like her. I continued to refuse. I then awoke in my body... very disgusted... I was almost physically sick.

M had recently made a large drug pickup and we had surplus amounts of methamphetamine on our hands. So as soon as we got settled into the hotel, we started snorting lines and smoking.

For a while, everything was like a normal meth trip. We all became hyper-creative and started drawing. C. was drawing weird geometric people and I was drawing Egyptians. C. and A. left the room to pick up some sodas, while I decided to lay down on the bed. From where I was laying, the ceiling looked like it was made of water. It was warping and flowing and changing colors constantly. It was weird but very pretty. When C. and A. came back into the room, I pointed out this phenomenon to A. Apparently C. and A. could see the water-ceiling as well, so we all laid down on the bed to watch the show. M. wanted nothing to do with this because he knows the warning signs of a St. Jimmy meth freak-out and this is one of the signs. However, I was totally oblivious to this fact.

After about 10 minutes, A. sat up and noticed that a large vortex was forming in the corner of the hotel room. From this vortex, which looked like a smoky grey cube imploding on itself, emerged hundreds of shadowy figures. They were roughly human in shape and seemed to be composed entirely of shadows. They had no facial features or clothing or any type of distinguishing marks. Being avid researchers of the paranormal, we instantly recognized these creatures to be Shadow People. Panic quickly set in as the shadow people began to circle the room.

At some point M. finally put down his pen and joined the chaos that was rapidly forming in the room. C., A., and I were huddled in one of the beds together, hyperventilating and in a general state of panic. Shadow people may not sound too frightening to those who know nothing about them, but as people who understand these creatures we knew enough to be terrified. Shadow people are not malevolent beings. They are horrible extradimensional beings that prey on human energy. Not a good situation to be in when we are spun and paranoid enough as it is.

We began talking about what we thought the shadow people were and came to the conclusion that they were beings from another dimension that had entered our dimension through the vortex. Methamphetamine had allowed our bodies to vibrate at a higher resonance than usual and this attracted the shadow people.

C. decided that smoking more meth would make the shadow people go away, so A. and I sat on the edge of the bed while C. held the pipe and lit it for us. In retrospect, I realize that this was a horrible idea. All we did was make the experience even more intense. Finally, M. jumped in and fed A. and I some Xanax to calm us down. Unfortunately, nothing happened. The shadow people continued to assault our senses and terrify us.

M. and A. decided that they would attempt to take photos of the shadow people with their cellphones. So they took off on an expedition to the bathroom, which for some reason seemed the best place to take photos to all of us. C. and I sat on the end of my bed and waited for their return. I noticed that the closer to C. I got, the more intense the visualizations got. A. later stated that she noticed the same thing when near M. We later decided that C. and M. were conduits for A. and my psychic energy and that they increased our ability to perceive the shadow people.

Soon, a mass about the size of a human torso began forming underneath the table. It was a large, translucent blob with no discernable form. C. and I started screaming for M. and A. to come back and they ran into the room. The blob started speaking to me telepathically, telling me that it was going to spiritually possess me and use my body to murder my friends.

As it was speaking it began climbing up my body. It inserted three tentacles into my navel and began to enter my body. Where the tentacles touched me, I felt a sensation similar to ice-cold needles being pushed through my skin. I wanted to get up and run away but the creature had me completely paralyzed. A. started screaming at me to run and for M. and C. to do something, but they just stood there, dumbfounded. A. took matters into her own hands and took a flying leap at the creature and tackled it, ripping it out of my body. M. grabbed me under my arms and C. grabbed my legs and carried me to the other bed. During this my body was still completely frozen. They dumped me on the bed and tried to get me to respond but for a few minutes I was unable to move or speak. I have very vague memories of what happened next. All I recall is A. telling me that the creature was gone.

gwa wrote:errr can't be arsed in quoting but am i right in thinking icke's son was part of MKULTRA or am i thinking of someone else

magma wrote:

gwa wrote:errr can't be arsed in quoting but am i right in thinking icke's son was part of MKULTRA or am i thinking of someone else

MKULTRA is US, Icke's British... used to play for Coventry!

parson wrote:can't kill the holographic projection anymore than an avatar in WoW can take down the mmorpg