Re: the situation in egypt
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:54 pm
am I lyin?AllNightDayDream wrote:Cool guy alertpkay wrote: 99.999999% of the world had no idea who Mubarak was until 2 weeks ago yet suddenly everyone is an expert.
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am I lyin?AllNightDayDream wrote:Cool guy alertpkay wrote: 99.999999% of the world had no idea who Mubarak was until 2 weeks ago yet suddenly everyone is an expert.
And the curious thing is none of them are Egyptian, they merely edit wikipedia!Phigure wrote: Only 68 people knew who Mubarak was before this?
No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity? Yeah, we get it, you know people in the middle east. My sister went to school in cairo, does that make me an expert too? Obviously there is the possibility that an authoritarian theocracy could take hold, but as long as it's within the confines of democracy, it's completely fascist to oppose it, let alone complain about the whole thing before a stable leadership has been put in place. You have to give democracy a chance, because more than anything that's what the middle east needs. Also, there's no question that mubarak was a piece of shit bastard that killed his own people without mercy, regardless of whatever perceived economic progress he aimed for.pkay wrote:am I lyin?AllNightDayDream wrote:Cool guy alertpkay wrote: 99.999999% of the world had no idea who Mubarak was until 2 weeks ago yet suddenly everyone is an expert.
In regards to what I responded to, yes. Just because you are curious you should not be allowed to modify a wikipedia page. Thus why wikipedia locked the page.... otherwise some dumbass who heard a 20 second snippet on fox news or msnbc would spend 10 minutes googling, and then write something on wikipedia as if it's factual.AllNightDayDream wrote: No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity?
+1pkay wrote:In regards to what I responded to, yes. Just because you are curious you should not be allowed to modify a wikipedia page. Thus why wikipedia locked the page.... otherwise some dumbass who heard a 20 second snippet on fox news or msnbc would spend 10 minutes googling, and then write something on wikipedia as if it's factual.AllNightDayDream wrote: No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity?
As for your other comments, that's on you. I've stated my disdain for how westerners address politics in the past. The 24 hour news cycle has rendered most people lazy and ignorant to the happenings of the world. They only care when everyone else cares. They're only curious when it becomes a subject at the water coolers or their friends start posting about it on their facebook status's.
2 opposing factions in mexico are gearing up for a war this summer. When the numbers reach 100 dead a week I bet christian amanpouer or whatever her name is ends up in Juarez with a flak vest ondubmatters wrote: I can't wait to jump on the next breaking news bandwagon.
that's completely wrong.Ayatollah wrote:Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.
The fact that you think being ruled by your countries army is a 'success' is a /facepalmPhigure wrote:that's completely wrong.Ayatollah wrote:Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.
here's why:
Afghanistan: 9 years
Iraq: 7 years
neither have been successful so far
egypt:
2 and a half weeks
success
well obviously that's just for now... it's not like it's going to stay like that ffspkay wrote:The fact that you think being ruled by your countries army is a 'success' is a /facepalmPhigure wrote:that's completely wrong.Ayatollah wrote:Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.
here's why:
Afghanistan: 9 years
Iraq: 7 years
neither have been successful so far
egypt:
2 and a half weeks
success
Egypt is about at the point where they pulled down the sadam statue if you want to draw comparisons. Long long way to go to have free, open, elections without corruption let alone ones that result in a government respected by the people.

And what? would you rather people just not care? Yeah god forbid something mildly important gets massive coverage one the news so otherwise oblivious people would start paying attention to what's going on in the world. I was right about you the first time, mr. cool guy. Yemen and Algeria are having similar anti-government protests too, is that news hipster enough for you?pkay wrote:In regards to what I responded to, yes. Just because you are curious you should not be allowed to modify a wikipedia page. Thus why wikipedia locked the page.... otherwise some dumbass who heard a 20 second snippet on fox news or msnbc would spend 10 minutes googling, and then write something on wikipedia as if it's factual.AllNightDayDream wrote: No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity?
As for your other comments, that's on you. I've stated my disdain for how westerners address politics in the past. The 24 hour news cycle has rendered most people lazy and ignorant to the happenings of the world. They only care when everyone else cares. They're only curious when it becomes a subject at the water coolers or their friends start posting about it on their facebook status's.
AllNightDayDream wrote: And what? would you rather people just not care? Yeah god forbid something mildly important gets massive coverage one the news so otherwise oblivious people would start paying attention to what's going on in the world. I was right about you the first time, mr. cool guy. Yemen and Algeria are having similar anti-government protests too, is that news hipster enough for you?
yeah, good job commenting without reading the articles. They're talking about how Bush broke with the traditional view that arab states "can't be democratised" because of their culture, and started pushing the "freedom agenda". This was meant for the whole region, not just Iraq.Phigure wrote:that's completely wrong.Ayatollah wrote:Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.
here's why:
Afghanistan: 9 years
Iraq: 7 years
neither have been successful so far
egypt:
2 and a half weeks
success

sd5 wrote: Does the Brotherhood want a repressive theocracy a la Iran?
WASHINGTON - CBS television correspondent Lara Logan was beaten and sexually assaulted by a mob while covering the jubilation in Cairo’s Tahrir Square on the day Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stepped down, the U.S. broadcaster said Tuesday.
Logan, a 39-year-old South Africa native and war correspondent, has since flown back to the United States and is recovering in hospital. She was one of dozens of journalists attacked during the three weeks of protests throughout Egypt.
CBS News said in a statement Logan was covering the celebrations for CBS’s “60 Minutes” program on Feb. 11 when she and her team were surrounded by “a mob of more than 200 people whipped into a frenzy.”
“In the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew. She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers,” CBS said.
Logan made her name as a war correspondent for Britain’s GMTV during the start of the U.S.-led Afghanistan war in 2001 and subsequently reported on the war in Iraq. She joined CBS News in 2002.
The Committee to Protect Journalists, a media watchdog group, said at least 52 journalists were attacked and 76 were imprisoned during the unrest in Egypt that led Mubarak to step down after 30 years in power. All have been released, it said.
One journalist, Ahmad Mohamed Mahmoud of the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ta’awun, was killed while filming clashes near Tahrir Square, the CPJ said.