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This thread has opened a lot of eyes. Pistons I am pleased you watched the video and have woken up. I urge the others to do the same.

hackman wrote:
would reccomend these two particularly
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3711060908#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scym0WH3Jww

I just watched the first of these videos. To be honest my first response was this guy is nuts but the more i think about it the more it resonates with me.
Now I still think hes mostly talking complete drivel (I'm always willing to be proven wrong) but I feel there's something in this 2012 thing...now i doubt we will see some kind of global cataclysm or even if the year 2012 has any specific relevance but i get the clear impression that something is going on...its all coming to a head. Be it global warming, centralization of government,economic meltdown,stripping of civil liberties.... we are being corralled..for some nefarious purpose, no doubt.

i reckon he really knows his stuff

Global warming is a con to make money and new taxes, I'll post info later

Well yes clearly Global warming is a tax scam....how else will the EU make more money?

because its happening on all planets in solar system!

dreamizm wrote:

magma wrote:I really can't work out the problem with a single world government. Tear down borders, make us all equal... seems a good idea to me. I've always thought the opponents would be better off getting involved and making sure that any world government was built in the interests of the people rather than trying to cut themselves off from something that is incredibly likely to happen in the long term.

Humans do band together over time, it seems natural behaviour. Call it empire building, alliance or 'special relationships'.... we all get closer in the end.

Are you nuts? Show me any centralised government that has actually been good for the people (and don't say Cuba- it's a mess)

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Devolving power and decision-making to local communities and LA's is the only way forward and this is what the climate change lobby and (most) spiritually-enlighted are pushing for. Interestingly David Cameron is basing a lot of his policies on this belief as well.

Erm, well since about 1700, the British Government. The average standard of living in Britain was atrocious before we sorted properly democratic rule out. Take away centralised government and services (NHS, Education, Social Security, Transport, Defence.....) and we're left with a big mess of people doing those things solely for profit... doesn't strike me as better in the slightest.

I like government, it just needs to be kept in check by the people. Opting out and saying you'll have nothing to do with it gives them license to do whatever they want.

Also - you really think something like Climate Change is best handled by Local Authorities? That's mental... it needs coordinated global action, not a bunch of village committees talking about not littering their cricket pitches.

magma wrote:

dreamizm wrote:

magma wrote:I really can't work out the problem with a single world government. Tear down borders, make us all equal... seems a good idea to me. I've always thought the opponents would be better off getting involved and making sure that any world government was built in the interests of the people rather than trying to cut themselves off from something that is incredibly likely to happen in the long term.

Humans do band together over time, it seems natural behaviour. Call it empire building, alliance or 'special relationships'.... we all get closer in the end.

Are you nuts? Show me any centralised government that has actually been good for the people (and don't say Cuba- it's a mess)

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Devolving power and decision-making to local communities and LA's is the only way forward and this is what the climate change lobby and (most) spiritually-enlighted are pushing for. Interestingly David Cameron is basing a lot of his policies on this belief as well.

Erm, well since about 1700, the British Government. The average standard of living in Britain was atrocious before we sorted properly democratic rule out. Take away centralised government and services (NHS, Education, Social Security, Transport, Defence.....) and we're left with a big mess of people doing those things solely for profit... doesn't strike me as better in the slightest.

I like government, it just needs to be kept in check by the people. Opting out and saying you'll have nothing to do with it gives them license to do whatever they want.

Also - you really think something like Climate Change is best handled by Local Authorities? That's mental... it needs coordinated global action, not a bunch of village committees talking about not littering their cricket pitches.

Haha u are either purposely misinterpreting me or not hearing a word im sayin

There is a big difference between democracy and centralised/totalitarian govt

OBVIOUSLY we need some form of mandate/cohesion at a global level where targets can be set but a new way of living can only be established at local level (sustainable economies with low carbon transport/locally sourced food etc) if it's going to last and be anyway in keeping with the needs of the people at hand.

Imagine an unaccountable group of people thousands of miles away making decisions that affect you and your family. Have you read any Kafka?? Plus culturally the effects would be catastrophic - we'd become a generic whitewashed race of zombies

Anyway dont wana take this thread off-topic. Lets' agree to disagree

yooamatwa wrote:Well yes clearly Global warming is a tax scam....how else will the EU make more money?

someone hacked into a high up government email account and it contained info on the tax laws they were planning and other shady shit, most likely how they are covering it all up.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea. Why do we need taxes in the first place? We are required to give our hard earned money to someone who doesn't own us, if not we face being made slaves in a world where no one owns ANYTHING.

deamonds wrote:

dreamizm wrote:

particle-jim wrote: i been trying to knock the old puffing on the head and have cut down a shit load as a result i've been having loads of really fucked up dreams... the other night i literally had 4 dreams in 1 night!

Yeah this is extremely common.

havent read this thread but i like the way it has gone to smoking...

do you still smoke dreamizm?

Used to bun a lot when i was a younger. These days I don't usually bun Mon-Thurs (when im working/up early) cos it weighs my brain + I get more done and only peng/hi grade when its around. Tend not to bun for more then 6/7 months in a row so wld usually give up for a while- that way u get to know how its affecting ur life and can regulate it better.

Every1 i kno now is either given up completely or bunning waaay too much, its nuts

Hah sorry prev post wasn't that clear. I'm not dismissing it...Global warming is a huge cash cow those troughing greedy stnuc are salivating at the idea of a green tax... I heard the other day they are thinking about personal carbon credits .... say you have 100 per year every time you drive your car you loose a credit...or fly on a plane you lose 10.. when there gone...tough shit.

I'm sure this wont apply to ruling classes though... i also hear that if you manage to save up 1000 points our gracious leaders will present you with one of these



sorry off topic here

dreamizm wrote:

magma wrote:

dreamizm wrote:

magma wrote:I really can't work out the problem with a single world government. Tear down borders, make us all equal... seems a good idea to me. I've always thought the opponents would be better off getting involved and making sure that any world government was built in the interests of the people rather than trying to cut themselves off from something that is incredibly likely to happen in the long term.

Humans do band together over time, it seems natural behaviour. Call it empire building, alliance or 'special relationships'.... we all get closer in the end.

Are you nuts? Show me any centralised government that has actually been good for the people (and don't say Cuba- it's a mess)

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Devolving power and decision-making to local communities and LA's is the only way forward and this is what the climate change lobby and (most) spiritually-enlighted are pushing for. Interestingly David Cameron is basing a lot of his policies on this belief as well.

Erm, well since about 1700, the British Government. The average standard of living in Britain was atrocious before we sorted properly democratic rule out. Take away centralised government and services (NHS, Education, Social Security, Transport, Defence.....) and we're left with a big mess of people doing those things solely for profit... doesn't strike me as better in the slightest.

I like government, it just needs to be kept in check by the people. Opting out and saying you'll have nothing to do with it gives them license to do whatever they want.

Also - you really think something like Climate Change is best handled by Local Authorities? That's mental... it needs coordinated global action, not a bunch of village committees talking about not littering their cricket pitches.

Haha u are either purposely misinterpreting me or not hearing a word im sayin

There is a big difference between democracy and centralised/totalitarian govt

OBVIOUSLY we need some form of mandate/cohesion at a global level where targets can be set but a new way of living can only be established at local level (sustainable economies with low carbon transport/locally sourced food etc) if it's going to last and be anyway in keeping with the needs of the people at hand.

Imagine an unaccountable group of people thousands of miles away making decisions that affect you and your family. Have you read any Kafka?? Plus culturally the effects would be catastrophic - we'd become a generic whitewashed race of zombies

Anyway dont wana take this thread off-topic. Lets' agree to disagree

I think we largely agree actually, but perhaps you're making an assumption that a global government would necessarily be unaccountable, all-powerful and totalitarian? I can't imagine the people of the world, especially those in democratised countries, accepting that.

As for the zombie stuff - given the cultural differences that still manage to exist in, say, Britain - afterall, we are "one people under one government", I think the world would manage to hold onto its local culture well enough on its own. It's companies more than governments that I worry about degrading culture -Ziauddin Sardar had a nice term for it - "Coca-Colanisation".

As an aside, I wish people would talk with "could" rather than "would".

"Plus culturally the effects would be catastrophic - we'd become a generic whitewashed race of zombies "

"Plus culturally the effects could be catastrophic"

Unless you've got a crystal ball, we're all guessing.... and opinions are opinions, neither of us are "nuts" for disagreeing on things like this.

dreamizm wrote:
Every1 i kno now is either given up completely or bunning waaay too much, its nuts

Yeah same here. All my mates have pretty much stopped, so I'm smoking their share of it I think...

oh my bad, didn't know about the credits though, does not surprise me at all

So... I can't help but get the feeling this is all a bit X-files. Like literally, the main story arc of the X-files.

Was Chris Carter, or his writers, into all the project camelot stuff?

a couple of episodes of xfiles are based on true events, along with spielburgs films

dreamizm wrote:bunning waaay too much, its nuts

i fall into this catagory

magma wrote:I really can't work out the problem with a single world government. Tear down borders, make us all equal... seems a good idea to me.

jesus christ.





MY FELLOW EARTHICANS,

folx who are checkin out project camelot. check RALPH RING. he's one of the sanest people on there.

parson wrote:

manillathrilla wrote:do you think we will be introduced to an et species within the next 6 months?

that would be cool.

theres my answer to that question also