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wolf89 wrote:I was only 10 for two months of the 90s though to be honest. I still didn't likeshite music though

I bet you listened to sandstorm on repeat like every kid

Not massively. I think I did have some dance cd full of cheesy chart house stuff and a couple kev car anthems though

Johnlenham wrote:

Agent 47 wrote: wolf was only 10

Haha. Took me a second to clock who that is

Agent 47 wrote:gage the sarcasm my friend

and 92' actually

where were you LOL

big up the 92 cru

1992 - the year of the tru head

Agent 47 wrote:
the internet bringz the h8 imo

dubunked wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:gage the sarcasm my friend

and 92' actually

where were you LOL

big up the 92 cru

1992 - the year of the tru head

Nah, it's all about being born in 89 so you can claim to have been around for all of jungle even though you were actually a child

big up the born in 89 crew

whats great about it is u can say you was born in the 80's even though it doesnt really matter cause you cant remember any of it

southstar wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:
the internet bringz the h8 imo

Fuckin Banger....udz udz udz udz

dubunked wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:gage the sarcasm my friend

and 92' actually

where were you LOL

big up the 92 cru

1992 - the year of the tru head

big up the 92 cru

like and share if ur a 90s kid

you weren't a 90s kid though. You missed the first two years.

Its all about the 1987!

it were a joke

Johnlenham wrote:I was just thinking today, was pop garage in the 90s that everyone loves now (flowers for example) seen as shit and akin to brostep to garage tru heads? You know, paradise garage/ US garage and then the rest of Uk garage that wasnt in the charts. Or was it all one big happy top 40/dub plate family?

a gent wrote:from what i gather there was a lot less hate back then, wolf was only 10 and the internet hadnt really kicked off. the internet bringz the h8 imo

that's probably true

but,for the same reason, it wasn't "...all one big happy top 40/dub plate family"
cos there wasn't the instant communication between regional like-minds

there were always people that had a distaste for rock (and loved, say, skiffle)
but there was no big division apart from the scoffing from the avant garde (underground) of crass pop
and a bit of parochial rivalry & agro based on fashion allegiances (e.g. mods v rockers)

commercial punk made it acceptable to hate other music en masse (particularly disco)
but, in reaction, the 80s, post-punk, new-wave etc. was largely about reconciliation (with dance & pop music)

strangely, imo, the best result of punk was to liberate dance
cos you didn't need disco styling to pogo
so dancing at rock gigs became more than a couple of hippies twirling down the front
and, by the late 80s/early 90s and grunge, had moshpits heaving away.

by the 90s people seem to have worked out which way their cultural preference was going
and followed their favoured musical genre/drug into it's community...
the ravers into jungle, trance etc.
the disco types into house
the young hung in with pop and rock
the older rockers followed alternative
but there was no great hate,
maybe just dismissal of each other as uncool.

tbh, the "hate" nowdays is pretty tame...just tribal arse-baring.

weed brownies are good

Johnlenham wrote:I was just thinking today, was pop garage in the 90s that everyone loves now (flowers for example) seen as shit and akin to brostep to garage tru heads? You know, paradise garage/ US garage and then the rest of Uk garage that wasnt in the charts.

Or was it all one big happy top 40/dub plate family?

There was just as much hate. I got into club music mainly through my older brothers so I've been around rave music since around '92/93 and as far as I could tell pretty much everyone who considered themselves a "head" outside London ignored the shit out of garage in favour of DnB and Jungle initially. There was a pretty stiff rivalry going on with Garage seen by most of the Jungle heads as weak posing music... it was still mainly known as Speed Garage, Jungle heads only acknowledged the existence of Artful Dodger style pop-garage, lovingly referred to as Sparage and pretty much decided it wasn't real club music in the slightest. It was only really when garage started evolving into Dubstep that all the jungle heads suddenly tried to make out like they'd been into it the whole time. No idea if it was maybe more integrated in London, but in Bristol and the West it was definitely very factional. Not many mixed bills until well into the 2000s... if you were lucky Room 2 was playing hip hop, but otherwise nights tended to be single genre.

Plus you had the whole rock fans don't listen to dance music, dance music fans don't listen to rock which was pretty rigid... it was kind of disorientating when the NME crowd suddenly started shouting NU RAVE!, playing synths and wearing glowpaint.

^guess that's where Oz differed
no UKG scene here
and no big cliques
you could comfortably be into goth, techno, jungle, industrial, reggae, alternate
but any hint of BGs/MJ/Prince and you were a kid, oldster or devo.
UKG would've been equivalent to a fusion of Gary Glitter & hiphop for most.
(imo)

Yeah, there was more crossover abroad, I think. I remember being kind of surprised meeting people at foreign festivals who were just as happy in the rave as the moshpit, but the closest the goths and metallers got to dance music was probably Nine Inch Nails when I was at school. I was always floating in the middle because most of my skater mates were into rock and punk, but my brothers were at the raves.

I don't think Brostep is necessarily the right touchpoint for Garage's image though... it was more seen as the urban posers genre than the part-time/first-time fan's genre... the Brostep/EDM wave feels a lot like the late 90s Balearic Trance explosion to me. If you're 18 or 19 and experiencing your club/ecstasy honeymoon, you're just happy to be on a dancefloor tbh, the quality of the music isn't really the main attraction... I would've never bragged to my brothers and their mates about dancing to Darude or ATB, but I definitely did and it was definitely a lot of fun.

I don't think brostep is what you've described there.
Tbh, most people I know can't stand going out to nights and hearing that. Pretty much died off with smoking weed in abandoned caravans.

jesslem wrote:I don't think brostep is what you've described there.

How do you mean? I didn't really describe brostep.

Maybe I didn't make my point well enough... basically, the people that are getting into the club scene via EDM and Brostep over the last 4 or 5 years would've been idolising the "Superstar DJs" like Tall Paul in 1998. It's dance music for beginners. A lot of the ones that are still into it when they're 25 will probably graduate to more complex/interesting sounds.

jesslem wrote:I don't think brostep is what you've described there.
Tbh, most people I know can't stand going out to nights and hearing that. Pretty much died off with smoking weed in abandoned caravans.

As someone who used to promote alot of brostep shows, I think Magma is spot on tbh.

When I was 15, all the older kids who were going out just to get fucked up were all on ATB, Oakenfold and Tiesto kind of shit. When I was 18 and able to go out, it was Wolfgang Gardner and etc. A few years later it was brostep.

kidshuffle wrote: As someone who used to promote alot of brostep shows

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