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i like bass and drums.

and i dont see a problem with dubstep splitting personally. genre names are for marketing purposes and the word dubstep just isnt cutting it here in the US to describe all the sounds. sorry but thats the way i feel. i'm not sure what can be DONE about that but...

why is everyone so against making a sub-genre?

"it ruined jungle/drum & waste" but this isnt either of those scenes?

Also, It would help me filter through the barrage of shit when im buying tunes.

Also, I have never heard of brostep till this forum, you american's have got problems haha.

Out to the guy who asked about Meditating on Bassweight, and also the guy who didnt get the puking rolling eye smiley. Havent we come a long way

not to mention your fuckin mom

my mom was born in hawaii before it was a state so i dunno if she counts

woah i didn't see there was another page

Hawaii is one of the 48 states?

rob sparx wrote:
Think about this - I might spend 2-3 weeks writing a deep 12 and get £250-300 for my troubles - thats way below minimum wage so why are you suprised that no-one can be arsed with writing deep? Producers I know who've been writing just bangers for the last few years have got more gigs this month than I've had all year! I mean threads full of compliments are great but they don't pay the fucking rent do they?

LOL. Wasteman.

I'm sure Silkie, Quest, Skream, Mala, Joker etc etc clock more P than £250 for a "deep 12"...

If you're making music to pay the rent you're in the wrong profession. Go get a job in a factory if you want minimum wage.

dreamizm wrote:

rob sparx wrote:
Think about this - I might spend 2-3 weeks writing a deep 12 and get £250-300 for my troubles - thats way below minimum wage so why are you suprised that no-one can be arsed with writing deep? Producers I know who've been writing just bangers for the last few years have got more gigs this month than I've had all year! I mean threads full of compliments are great but they don't pay the fucking rent do they?

LOL. Wasteman.

I'm sure Silkie, Quest, Skream, Mala, Joker etc etc clock more P than £250 for a "deep 12"...

If you're making music to pay the rent you're in the wrong profession. Go get a job in a factory if you want minimum wage.

i might start making some bangers, apparently they sell well,

LFO all that, FL Studio, cold heartless machine music, ill be minted by next year.

What a dickhead reply though seriously...lol

rob sparx wrote:

spacer wrote:
i hate to make a wipe thread complaining about this

Think about this - I might spend 2-3 weeks writing a deep 12 and get £250-300 for my troubles - thats way below minimum wage so why are you suprised that no-one can be arsed with writing deep? Producers I know who've been writing just bangers for the last few years have got more gigs this month than I've had all year! I mean threads full of compliments are great but they don't pay the fucking rent do they?

lol @ putting names on subgenres

deamonds wrote:why is everyone so against making a sub-genre?

"it ruined jungle/drum & waste" but this isnt either of those scenes?

Also, It would help me filter through the barrage of shit when im buying tunes.

Also, I have never heard of brostep till this forum, you american's have got problems haha.

Don't think american / not american has anything to do with it tbh. But yeah, I agree that the phobia of subgenres is getting really silly. How obvious does a split in the scene have to get before people are willing to actually give it a name. "Oh wait, but if we named a subgenre then suddenly Dusk & Blackdown, Kode 9, Ramadanman, Pangaea, Appleblim, Silkie would stop playing Borgore and vice versa. Oh wait, they already don't."

The only effect of maintaining the illusion that it's all the same thing is that people who like Hessle Audio or whatever think Borgore is "killing dubstep" because it's under the same banner. Once you accept that they're different things, people get less het up about it. Like noone complains about Tiesto killing dubstep because noone thinks Tiesto is dubstep.

maybe tiesto IS killing dubstep

Tiesto killed Borgore?

slothrop wrote:How obvious does a split in the scene have to get before people are willing to actually give it a name?

Exactly.

dreamizm wrote:

rob sparx wrote:
Think about this - I might spend 2-3 weeks writing a deep 12 and get £250-300 for my troubles - thats way below minimum wage so why are you suprised that no-one can be arsed with writing deep? Producers I know who've been writing just bangers for the last few years have got more gigs this month than I've had all year! I mean threads full of compliments are great but they don't pay the fucking rent do they?

LOL. Wasteman.

I'm sure Silkie, Quest, Skream, Mala, Joker etc etc clock more P than £250 for a "deep 12"...

If you're making music to pay the rent you're in the wrong profession. Go get a job in a factory if you want minimum wage.

He doesn't want minimum wage bruv, that is what he said... that's why he doesn't do the "deep" thing....

but record sales don't make the profits. if you make 250-300 pound for a record, you're doing pretty fucking well as a Dubstep producer IMO. I assume that is up front payment because most Dubstep 12" don't shift massive numbers. We've had a couple of 12" now that stayed in the top 5 of every shops charts, seen it in tons of mixes... let's just say we can't buy a bag of weed with what we have made off of the releases. And that is before our label licenses samples, which I know is pretty unique but still...

so yea, it's not profitable unless you're HUGE in the game... then you might be able to live an extremely shit existence... unless you're like top 3 in the game.

Producers in the real world(read: not here in Dubstep generally) actually get payed when their shit gets played on the radio. Imagine that! They get payed when someone samples them... IMAGINE THAT!!!! So I mean really if it's about profits and you're a sick producer, score films and become a session musician or you'll be poor your entire life. Straight talk right there. Even then you'll probably be broke most of the time

Think about how many kids in the UK play Football... how many become professionals? How many of those professionals play for a good team and how many of them got traded to the MLS(lol)? How many of them play for Chelsey or Manch and shit? How many of them make 50 Million a year?

I assure you, the number of producers is much less, the chances are much worse. The chances are good that if you play by the rules and kiss the right asses and know the right people, you will be able to go clubbing a few nights a month and get payed for it. It's easy to sit and say "do it for the love" when your musical experience is limited to stealing and downloading pirate streams. If you have a contract in your face(and that is a very big IF) or you have a chance to travel the world, get payed for it and drink booze with people and play music... I mean fucking Christ... you play music as a hobby... you're gonna pay me for my hobby? And I get to travel the world? And I get to drink? And I won't have to submit my tunes to labels... like they will come to me and offer me money for my tunes that don't even exist yet?

Man please. We'd all sign the dotted line there. Quit fronting. I bet Rob Sparx has loads of tunes sitting around that he's made for the fuck of it, just for shits and grins and I bet they might break even or hell even turn a profit. But a meager profit. Man's released bare tunes, he knows what will do well and what will not do well... doesn't mean it doesn't or can't make other shit or doesn't like other shit... it means that he releases the hard shit and the other shit he doesn't because he or the labels don't want to lose their ass. And we're going to judge them for not taking a risk on people who think it's cool to steal from them... cool to shit all over them... don't care about their licensing, paying them for play on the radio(which certainly makes them revenue there at the stations, but not the producer!)

I make a decision every day when I wake up... do I do something productive, like go to work... or do I sit on my ass and smoke weed like I'd rather be doing and make no money. Rob Sparx makes that same choice every day when he wakes up. You make that same choice when you wake up.

We don't all have the same options, but we all have the same choice to make... you went to work in an office today instead of sitting on your couch smoking weed and being critical on DSF?

Sellout prick motherfucker! See? Works both ways. You weren't true to your wishes to sit around and do nothing all fucking day were you? In the real world, sometimes we have to make choices between eating and not eating. Life lesson for you. If he likes what he is doing it's none of your or my fucking business whether or not he did it for principle or pure profit motive. All that matters for you and I is whether or not we like the tune. Whether or not he can sleep at night is his issue and we can leave him to it. I personally am with him on it. And listen to the tunes we release... it's not like he and I are in some fraternity or something and I'm just siding with him. Something to think about... we release more chill stuff... we get a warm feeling doing it. We lose our ass doing it.

Welcome to the real world. Sit on your couch, be warm... be poor.

Bro you are so bitter & so full of shit I stopped reading after the 2nd line....

parson wrote:maybe tiesto IS killing dubstep

This dude in NYC I know, Thanh(TinyMC on here I think) went to see Tiesto in NYC...

Tiesto played 'La Roux - In For The Kill (Skream Mix)'

Say whatever you want about Tiesto, that is a great fucking look. When is the last time you saw 100k people dancing to PUNK or Hip Hop or just Rock music? Pretty much never...

Techno and Trance? Pretty much every other weekend. That level of immediate exposure to people who might actually listen to Dubstep(already into dance music, it's not as big a leap as from metal to Dubstep say) on a regular basis because of that... IMO, that is far bigger than Eve on some late night show that 28 year olds who don't go to clubs watch. Snoop Dogg Millionaire? How many units have Dubstep labels shifted because of that exposure? Prolly not many.

However questionable the DJ rankings and shit are, they do actually represent real "votes"... he really does have that many fans(bleh personally, but still).

I'd say that Rusko is more likely to ruin Dubstep than Tiesto. If anything, Tiesto is exposing somewhat mainstream type Dubstep to the masses, whereas Rusko has people thinking what he does is Dubstep... something to think about there.

deamonds wrote:Bro you are so bitter & so full of shit I stopped reading after the 2nd line....

I take offense at being called brostep

What the shipping tits kind of a name is that!?

19 pages though, good work.....